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Horror Needs More Rape/Revenge Flicks

As much as I love slasher films and torture porn I believe that the horror industry really needs more rape revenge horror films. The 1972 veron of The Last House on the Left from Wes Craven is one of the greatest horror films ever made and it depicted some of the most graphic, hard core acts of realistic violence against women that the horror genre has ever seen.

I particularly like the ending when the parents take their revenge on the misfits, it really put an exclamation point on the clong moments of the film.



I Spit On Your Grave followed several years later in 1978, and as much as I love LHOTL, I love ISPYG just the same. I found both films to be really intense experiences in filmmaking.

Then In 2009 we saw the remake of Last House on the Left which to my surprise was just as good as the original if not better. A year later another the remake of I Spit on Your Grave surfaced which I also found to be very enjoyable.

In clong I feel there is a wide-open market for more of these types of films, and I believe that the writers should stop for a second and conder making some more of these revenge flicks.

Im curious as to what you all think. Do you think our genre could use some more of these types of films?
horrorlord Friday 5/18/2012 at 12:55 AM | 93126
I have to say, I'm kinda horrified by this as a particular dere to be more commonly seen in horror films. The problem with so-called "Rape Revenge" films is that they typically portray extremely brutal, violent, and oftentimes fatal sexual violence, primarily done against women. No matter what anyone says, claiming that they enjoy the films for their aspect of revenge or special effects or god knows what else that they find redeeming, the fact of the matter is that the films appeal to a hell of a lot of creepy and even dangerous people more than the average citizen. I've known a half dozen guys to extol the virtues of these films and I can say with complete honesty, they are not people I'd be comfortable meeting in a dark alley.

Now don't get me wrong. I love horror films. I love special effects. Some of my favorite films feature very realistic and graphic displays of violence - I readily admit that. But films that tie violence so closely to sex seem more or less fodder for budding misogynists than anything else. A lot of people read Lolita because they recognize the artistic style of the prose and advanced wordplay, but just as many - if not more - read it because they like they idea of a preteen nymphet in a pseudo-incestual relationship with her middle-aged stepfather. I don't think it should be banned, but I don't think there should be much call for "yes, this is awesome, let's do that again!"

The phycal and psychological damage done by rape against any gender is never properly portrayed in these sort of films, and they almost press the (wrong) idea that revenge is a real and dangerous posbility if a victim is let live . I've never seen a film like this that presents anything at all redeeming. I'd just as soon see the genre wither and die.
dew Friday 5/18/2012 at 02:13 AM | 93127
I'd like to start by saying that the rape/revenge movies are not even "Horror" movies....they are more so in the category of torture porn. And I personally don't find them to be entertaining. Where is the "scary" in these flicks?, other than the rape scenes that are actually extremely disturbing...not "Horror". Hostel 1 and 2 were two revenge movies that made me as the viewer cheer for the act of revenge by the main character. I can say that I was entertained....but the big difference between the Hostel movies and Last House On The Left + I Spit On Your Grave is that there were no acts of rape in Hostel 1 and 2.

So my question to you, horrorlord, is why do you think Horror needs more Rape/Revenge flicks? You can actually say that you are a fan of the concept of rape? That's very strange and disturbing that you encourage these films. I can view any Horror movie consting of the most graphic, creative violence and/or kill scene. Add rape into the mix, and now the film is no longer enjoyable, but hard to watch.
littlewayn13 Friday 5/18/2012 at 08:37 AM | 93129
How about a movie about a man being raped by a group of women and then getting his revenge afterwards? lol
Slice 0f Life Friday 5/18/2012 at 03:05 PM | 93131
Really? This has got to be a troll post right? Asking for more rape movies? With that avatar/user pic ta boot!
JediRob Saturday 5/19/2012 at 12:19 AM | 93133
LOL...I'm with ya JediRob about that avatar pic! He needs therapy, and lots of it.
littlewayn13 Saturday 5/19/2012 at 08:16 AM | 93145
LOL, and not to mention his webte user status.
littlewayn13 Saturday 5/19/2012 at 08:27 AM | 93146
I think we need more revenge films, not necessarily ones with rape. There are other things that could happen that would cause someone to "get revenge."
syko2k2 Saturday 5/19/2012 at 01:58 PM | 93151
I want to be clear that I do not condone real life violence against women.That kind of behavior is unexceptable in society. With that being said I do like movies that have that going on.Watching these kind of movies doesn't make somebody a rapist any more than watching Friday the 13th means the person who likes them is going to start terrorizing people in the woods.There ain't no difference in the two concepts.I also have heard people mentioning my avatar which is a photo of me. Whats wrong with it and what does it have to do with my post?The fact is I always treat women with respect and I have never hurt a woman in my life and I never would.Im going to go into why I enjoy these types of films.The reason is is because they are the scariest movies ive ever seen because of the idea that these acts of violence are so realilistic.It makes you the viewer cringe in fear if you have female friends and it also makes you cringe in fear that there are people out there that does stuff like that to women.Somebody posted how about a movie about a man being raped by a group of women. That was funny.Im assuming it was a joke Slice of Life.I'll answer anyway just on the off chance that you were serious.The fact is is that it clearly wouldn't be a horror movie because first off it's imposble for several reasons so it would have to be more like a lly comedy.I can sum it up ealy by saying that women aren't capable of doing something like that.They

are way to much like angels and also if it were posble there wouldn't be no psychological damage done to the guy.He would be like awesome wish that happened to me everyday.Awesome post by the way it was really funny idea.I would laugh hard if i saw it in a comedy especially if the chick was a model and he was acting like he was actually upset afterwards.I want to thank everyone for there comments thus far even the ones whom don't know me personally but non the less chose to throw me under the bus like Littlewayn.I believe everyone has the right to there own opinion nomatter how wrong there opinion is of me.
horrorlord Saturday 5/19/2012 at 07:37 PM | 93154
No matter what anyone says, claiming that they enjoy the films for their aspect of revenge or special effects or god knows what else that they find redeeming, the fact of the matter is that the films appeal to a hell of a lot of creepy and even dangerous people more than the average citizen. I've known a half dozen guys to extol the virtues of these films and I can say with complete honesty, they are not people I'd be comfortable meeting in a dark alley.You'd generalize a million people based on a few anecdotes?

I'm not a "fan" of these films, but I think you can't have your cake and eat it too. Most of horror is condered gratuitous and taboo to "the average citizen". If there is a good horror film, i won't like it any less if it features rape or sexual brutality. Its just another fucked up thing you see in horror movies. Who are we to say what is taking it too far?

The victims of these crimes in real-life are the most subjective in their opinions... To me, its not different than a person who may have lived through any number of fucked-up tuations that take place in horror.. The closer the subject-matter is to home, the bigger stink you'll make over it.

Feminists and rape victims aren't the target audience here... I've seen plenty of men castrated (by women!) in horror films and i wouldn't generalize the female audience who appreciates said films. Nor would i blame a victim of castration if they didn't enjoy movies that featured it. Bottom line i don't think rape in horror (or the real world) is anymore heavy than murder and dismemberment.

and again, i am NOT a fan of these types of movies.. I just took to heart what you said because i can think of a couple movies i enjoyed which featured this subject matter, and you'd have nothing to fear walking past me in a dark alley.. generalizing is bad...

The original Last House On The Left is a piece of shit film. I find no enjoyment in watching it, and i don't think it has any artistic

or redeeming value whatsoever. It has nothing to offer me. The remake was a lil better though.. The lead female character is amazing and Aaron Paul is in it as well.. Decent acting, good effects. I thought it was a good watch and i don't feel bad about it.

The original I Spit On Your Grave i haven't seen in forever. I remember being disgusted with the prolonged rape scene, multiple rape scenes, etc. It made me phycally uncomfortable to watch. I also remember feeling incredibly satisfied when she killed the men and cut off that dudes junk in the bathtub... I don't feel bad about that either.
AgnesItsMeBilly Saturday 5/19/2012 at 10:33 PM | 93156
http://i46.tinypic.com/scw8wj.

Take note guys. One day I predict we'll see the above screengrab in a news story.
JediRob Monday 5/21/2012 at 04:13 AM | 93164
I love how everyone is trolling the OP but meanwhile we're all a bunch of "wierdos" on a horror webte. What is your definition of "normal citizens", and do you really think they post regularly on an online horror board? Get off your high-horse people.. The OP made clear his intentions were not malicious. furthermore, for any of you to make fun of his avatar (which he stated was a picture of himself) makes you a bad person..

Hey, My avatar features a cold-blooded killer who cuts unborn babies out from a mother's womb.... The OPs avatar is a picture of himself... Who is the real bad guy here...

I said i'm not a fan of these types of films, and don't want to see a push for more of them, but your trollish nature has put me in the OPs corner. This activity on this forum has been at an all-time low and now we're ostracizing a member who is expresng himself and generating conversation..? Way to go..
AgnesItsMeBilly Monday 5/21/2012 at 05:52 PM | 93170
Yes yes. You are right of course. But I mean, when you put out opinions, you are opening yourself up to retorts. And when said opinions const of, 'we need more rape' you're gunna hear it.

And then his resposne to a little ribbing is the longest run on paragrph in history where he, when discusng the finer points of posble female on male rape, states...

The fact is is that it clearly wouldn't be a horror movie because first off it's imposble for several reasons so it would have to be more like a lly comedy.I can sum it up ealy by saying that women aren't capable of doing something like that.They are way to much like angels and also if it were posble there wouldn't be no psychological damage done to the guy.He would be like awesome wish that happened to me everyday.

I mean...come on.

And really, you're gunna tell me that's not a funny user picture? I'm not saying HE'S funny looking, or that he's a terrible guy or whatever, but seriously. I don't know if it's the lighting, or his expreson, or the framing, but that's a pretty weird pic. And that's saying something. We're on a horror webte and my pic has me with a cross burned in my head.

How bout, rapes for some, revenge for others and miniature American flags for all!?
JediRob Monday 5/21/2012 at 07:25 PM | 93171
I love how everyone is trolling the OP but meanwhile we're all a bunch of "wierdos" on a horror webte. What is your definition of "normal citizens", and do you really think they post regularly on an online horror board? Get off your high-horse people.. The OP made clear his intentions were not malicious. furthermore, for any of you to make fun of his avatar (which he stated was a picture of himself) makes you a bad person..

Hey, My avatar features a cold-blooded killer who cuts unborn babies out from a mother's womb.... The OPs avatar is a picture of himself... Who is the real bad guy here...

I said i'm not a fan of these types of films, and don't want to see a push for more of them, but your trollish nature has put me in the OPs corner. This activity on this forum has been at an all-time low and now we're ostracizing a member who is expresng himself and generating conversation..? Way to go..

This at least we agree on. For my own part, though I expressed distaste at the call for the widening of the genre, I made no inference towards the OP's particular motives and tried to ignore the personal attacks that popped up in the thread. I don't know the OP personally, but he has been a member of the community for some time and has headlined with some interesting (if in this case divive) topics; it's inappropriate to post such trashy attacks or connect someone's opinion to their image.

(Though line-breaks and spellcheck are everyone's friends.)
dew Monday 5/21/2012 at 10:31 PM | 93172
Horror genre is not taboo to the general public. that's just retarded. lots of people love scary movies. that why they make it to the big screen just like action and drama etc.

just cause agnes has his poor little feelings hurt that several people are calling out captain howdy on his love of rape doesn't mean we cant speak our minds. so if you don't like it... tough!

every one has opinions and everyone disagrees from time to time. a person would have to be off their rocker if they expected not to brutalized for saying they need more rape in moves. so don't get all butt hurt when it happens. and for someone to jump in and defend him so fanatically? yea i think i would be scared to run into you in a dark alley especially if you knew I was opposed to graphic rape scenes. seems like the type of person who flies off the handle pretty easy. however, the world is full of captain howdy's and freaks and you cant fix them so just keep your kids away from them
fight4fire Tuesday 5/22/2012 at 07:09 PM | 93197
Look jedirob like ive said everyone is intitled to there opinyun but by saying what your saying your bacally saying that you don't like the last house on the left or i spit on your grave.Plus if your going to accuse me of being crazy then what would you say to the peoples who created the movies like wes cravin.Let me guess thats alright but it isn't alright for a fan to want to see more of these films alright.That doesn't make any cents or nickels for the matter.The Hills Have Eyes films had rape in them so i guess you don't like them or the people who created them right?You can't have it both ways.
horrorlord Thursday 5/24/2012 at 12:13 AM | 93215
horrorlord...nce everyone is entitled to their own "opinyun", here's mine- Don't try twisting what was said or how the film makers could be to blame. Your the one that has the headlining post Horror needs more rape/revenge flicks. Just face it, that's MESSED UP! ..."I think these are the scariest movies cuz I have female friends and it would be the worst thing for them to be raped."...nice way to justify your want for more rape movies.
littlewayn13 Thursday 5/24/2012 at 05:44 AM | 93220
And maybe you can ask Horrorbid to add Rape as one the choices for Favorite Sub-Genre.
littlewayn13 Thursday 5/24/2012 at 05:51 AM | 93221
Hypocrites.

Rape is no more fucked up than someone getting dismembered. It certainly is horrific and there is certainly a place for it in horror.

@Fight4Fire, excuse me for brushing off wrongful generalizations, standing up for the little-guy, and expresng that poking fun of someone for the way they look is wrong.. Howdy fuckin' dudey.

Also, grammar trolling is the absolute lowest form.. i've said all i need to say in here.
AgnesItsMeBilly Thursday 5/24/2012 at 06:15 PM | 93226
agnes im sure it doesnt hurt anyones feelings that your done commenting on this. your arguments that rape is the same as murder is retarded. a brutal rape scene mixes together elements that touch different nerves in the brains of most human beings. at least the sane ones. violence mixed with sex, appeals mostly to the psychotic. and to answer the questions above, no i dont like hills have eyes. i dont watch movies with violent rape.

a lot of people dont enjoy it. very few people do as a matter of fact. that is why very few of these movies ever see theaters. the normal public loves horror contrary to your earlier post that they don't. if it makes you feel like a bad ass that your not bothered by rape and violence thats fine. theres a lot of people in third world toilet countries that dont mind torturing, raping and killing people for real. to each their own. i just wouldnt advise people leaving their kids alone with you or a guy who loves to watch violent rape. and as for standing up for what you conder wrongs done to captain howdy, you actually remind me a lot of brian from family guy. you just want to be heard and be different. thats ok too.
fight4fire Thursday 5/24/2012 at 06:59 PM | 93228
And by the way. my 17yr old son just walked up behind me and read the title to this article. "horror needs more rape" and asked me what in the world i was reading. I told him what it was about and he shook his head and as he walked off said "thats not horror, thats just ck".

get help dude!
fight4fire Thursday 5/24/2012 at 07:08 PM | 93229
Agnetsmebilly, I'll just get to the point-Fuck you for standing up for rape and the need for it to be in horror. And as

for the grammar trolling, Take time to spell words right and then I won't have to poke fun, ya sumbitch.
littlewayn13 Thursday 5/24/2012 at 08:59 PM | 93233
agnes im sure it doesnt hurt anyones feelings that your done commenting on this. your arguments that rape is the same as murder is retarded. a brutal rape scene mixes together elements that touch different nerves in the brains of most human beings. at least the sane ones. violence mixed with sex, appeals mostly to the psychotic. and to answer the questions above, no i dont like hills have eyes. i dont watch movies with violent rape.

a lot of people dont enjoy it. very few people do as a matter of fact. that is why very few of these movies ever see theaters. the normal public loves horror contrary to your earlier post that they don't. if it makes you feel like a bad ass that your not bothered by rape and violence thats fine. theres a lot of people in third world toilet countries that dont mind torturing, raping and killing people for real. to each their own. i just wouldnt advise people leaving their kids alone with you or a guy who loves to watch violent rape. and as for standing up for what you conder wrongs done to captain howdy, you actually remind me a lot of brian from family guy. you just want to be heard and be different. thats ok too. Nice straw-man.. I've stated multiple times i'm not the type to go out looking for movies featuring rape.. It doesn't appeal to me.

That said, I don't live with blinders on and i'm not confined to arbitrary rules that make no sense.. What you're implying is that terrorizing and murdering someone is the lesser evil. I don't buy that..

And your right, to each their own.. Some people make uninformed generalizations of people and others don't.

My father thinks everyone from Texas is an asshole.. Just like you think anyone who's ever enjoyed a movie with this subject matter is a cko.. Same shit different toilet..

I've been watching horror nce i was a babe. Perhaps i've grown a bit desentized over the years... At this point i'm just looking for horror films that are effective in doing what they set out to do. As long as it isn't gratuitous and it WORKS then i could care less if a film features sexual violence and rape..

My pet-peeve is animal cruelty. i can't stand it. I'm not gonna turn around and say that anyone who's ever enjoyed a movie where and animal dies is a ck person.. Then i'd be no different than the rest of the hoopleheads.
AgnesItsMeBilly Thursday 5/24/2012 at 09:18 PM | 93234
Agnetsmebilly, I'll just get to the point-Fuck you for standing up for rape and the need for it to be in horror. And as

for the grammar trolling, Take time to spell words right and then I won't have to poke fun, ya sumbitch. I can tell you've thought hard about this.. I guess your train is running a lil-bit faster than mine.
AgnesItsMeBilly Thursday 5/24/2012 at 09:20 PM | 93235
Straw man? was that an insult? ha ha your an idiot! i thought you said all you had to say in here. but in reality it eating you up that everyone thinks your a fuktard and youll never shut up even when your obviously defeated. so now you prefer watching people being brutally raped but hate an animal getting killed. again, your messed up. dont waste your time arguing with me and you and captain howdy aka herman munster can go get some real counseling from someone trained to do so. nothing you say will change the fact that your messed up in the head and no amount of arguing is going to change anyones mind in here. I knew youd be back though. if nothing else you put a smile on my face.
fight4fire Friday 5/25/2012 at 12:16 AM | 93237
Whoa.

How about everyone chills out with the insults? This board is for the discuson of horror films and entertainment, not personal attacks. I voiced an opinion on

post, as did others, and AgnetsMeBilly is allowed to voice his as well. I haven't seen him "Standing up" for rape in films or otherwise. What he DID stand up for was the right of the OP not to be attacked for his opinion.

I realize I may have opened the door on this by discusng some of the actual real-life creepers I've personally known, and I apologize for that - and feel I should mention that my uneaness on the content of their character is based in far more than just the films that they watch.

The OP's argument was grounded in an actual existing genre of film that he finds relevant to horror as a whole. Some people don't agree with that. And that's fine. That's what makes HB what it is - a place for fans to talk about horror, where the genre has been and where it's heading. What it is NOT, however, is a junior high playground where we get to call names and throw stones.

Much as I disagree with the OP and some of AgnetsMeBilly's assertions, there's no place for this kind of childish bullshit here. So how about EVERYBODY grows up a little and returns to the genre discuson itself?
dew Friday 5/25/2012 at 12:24 AM | 93238
@dew,

I don't think i've acted childish.. I literally just went back and re-read all of my posts.. I may have taken it a bit far by saying they were bad people for poking fun of OP's avatar (a hyperbolic statement to say the least); but i've been on this te for a while, i love it, and this is the first time i've seen personal attacks like this.. As much as i don't want to see more rape/revenge flicks, I've seen plenty of threads on here regarding movies that are much more fucked up... The insults, hypocrisy, and arbitrary schema bullshit is surpring to see on here.

And acting like sadism, sexual undertones, and sometimes rape is uncalled for in horror seems naive. I respect that you don't enjoy it, i really do. But at the end of the day, many would argue that kind of subject matter makes for some of the most scary and disturbing horror. It doesn't make them fucked up people.
AgnesItsMeBilly Friday 5/25/2012 at 12:47 AM | 93239
And by the way. my 17yr old son just walked up behind me and read the title to this article. "horror needs more rape" and asked me what in the world i was reading. I told him what it was about and he shook his head and as he walked off said "thats not horror, thats just ck".

get help dude You're right, what do i know about horror.. I'm just a casual fan who spent a chunk of his pre-teen/teen years frantically searching for a copy of Don't Look Now on VHS.
AgnesItsMeBilly Friday 5/25/2012 at 12:50 AM | 93240
Whoa.

How about everyone chills out with the insults? This board is for the discuson of horror films and entertainment, not personal attacks. I voiced an opinion on

post, as did others, and AgnetsMeBilly is allowed to voice his as well. I haven't seen him "Standing up" for rape in films or otherwise. What he DID stand up for was the right of the OP not to be attacked for his opinion.

I realize I may have opened the door on this by discusng some of the actual real-life creepers I've personally known, and I apologize for that - and feel I should mention that my uneaness on the content of their character is based in far more than just the films that they watch.

The OP's argument was grounded in an actual existing genre of film that he finds relevant to horror as a whole. Some people don't agree with that. And that's fine. That's what makes HB what it is - a place for fans to talk about horror, where the genre has been and where it's heading. What it is NOT, however, is a junior high playground where we get to call names and throw stones.Much as I disagree with the OP and some of AgnetsMeBilly's assertions, there's no place for this kind of childish bullshit here. So how about EVERYBODY grows up a little and returns to the genre discuson itself?apparently it is a place for stone throwing and name calling becuase by coming in calling everyone childish and making references to junior high play grounds, is insulting. i wont apologize for being right. so how about next time you want to correct behavior you grow the fuck up and do it right!
fight4fire Friday 5/25/2012 at 12:54 AM | 93241
@AgnetsMeBilly, I wasn't directing that towards you. I have been surprised and pretty well appalled at the behavior on this thread because its so uncharacteristic of what HB usually is. I can honestly say I've not encountered this kind of BS here before, and I'm surprised a mod hasn't stepped in to curb it, with as much traffic as this thread has generated.

As for our disagreement... I'd written a nice long post responding to your first response but it somehow disappeared, so suffice it to say that I agree to disagree. We're not going to see eye to eye on this one.

@fight4fire Dude, I've been trying to be really civil here but you don't seem to understand the concept, so I'll just let you bitch and moan as you please. I've no patience to be arguing with people who can't form a coherent thought without insulting someone. If someone needs to "grow the fuck up" here, it's obviously you.
dew Friday 5/25/2012 at 01:03 AM | 93242
And by the way. my 17yr old son just walked up behind me and read the title to this article. "horror needs more rape" and asked me what in the world i was reading. I told him what it was about and he shook his head and as he walked off said "thats not horror, thats just ck".

get help dude You're right, what do i know about horror.. I'm just a casual fan who spent a chunk of his pre-teen/teen years frantically searching for a copy of Don't Look Now on VHS.

agnes? what does that have to do with anything. even a 17 yr old kid knows what true horror is about. ive spent my life collecting hard to find horror movies. who gives a damn! that doesnt change anything. again nothing you say will change my mind . my wife totally agrees that there is a huge difference in watching a fake kill and a fake rape. it affects her different.

she hates it and it makes her very uncomfortable. being scared and feeling uneasy and ck about something is a lot different. needing to find more intense movies because your numb to stuff now is nothing to be proud of. serial killers start out killing and torturing animals and when that doesnt cut it they move to humans. so i wouldnt be too quick to be proud of that. those are my opinions. trying hard not to be insulting or childish. however its just so hard to not be mean when im talking to you. but nce there has been a plea to quit the mud slinging I guess I will. I personally could care less what your into or who you stand up for. i dont know you nor do i want to.finally, if hollywood knew how to make a good horror movie there wouldnt be a need to push for shock value. anyone can make a movie that shocks the hell out of people. you just think of the most horrible thing you can. boom. but it takes true talent to scare someone and thats been lost. in hollywood anyway. thank God for indie films.
fight4fire Friday 5/25/2012 at 01:13 AM | 93243
@AgnetsMeBilly, I wasn't directing that towards you. I have been surprised and pretty well appalled at the behavior on this thread because its so uncharacteristic of what HB usually is. I can honestly say I've not encountered this kind of BS here before, and I'm surprised a mod hasn't stepped in to curb it, with as much traffic as this thread has generated.

We feel the same.

As for our disagreement... I'd written a nice long post responding to your first response but it somehow disappeared, so suffice it to say that I agree to disagree. We're not going to see eye to eye on this one. Thats fair enough.
AgnesItsMeBilly Friday 5/25/2012 at 01:15 AM | 93244
agnes? what does that have to do with anything. even a 17 yr old kid knows what true horror is about. ive spent my life collecting hard to find horror movies. who gives a damn! that doesnt change anything. again nothing you say will change my mind . my wife totally agrees that there is a huge difference in watching a fake kill and a fake rape. it affects her different.

she hates it and it makes her very uncomfortable. being scared and feeling uneasy and ck about something is a lot different. needing to find more intense movies because your numb to stuff now is nothing to be proud of. serial killers start out killing and torturing animals and when that doesnt cut it they move to humans. so i wouldnt be too quick to be proud of that. those are my opinions. trying hard not to be insulting or childish. however its just so hard to not be mean when im talking to you. but nce there has been a plea to quit the mud slinging I guess I will. I personally could care less what your into or who you stand up for. i dont know you nor do i want to.finally, if hollywood knew how to make a good horror movie there wouldnt be a need to push for shock value. anyone can make a movie that shocks the hell out of people. you just think of the most horrible thing you can. boom. but it takes true talent to scare someone and thats been lost. in hollywood anyway. thank God for indie films.

Again... Straw-man. You're replying to several stances that i haven't taken.
AgnesItsMeBilly Friday 5/25/2012 at 01:20 AM | 93246
@AgnetsMeBilly, I wasn't directing that towards you. I have been surprised and pretty well appalled at the behavior on this thread because its so uncharacteristic of what HB usually is. I can honestly say I've not encountered this kind of BS here before, and I'm surprised a mod hasn't stepped in to curb it, with as much traffic as this thread has generated.

As for our disagreement... I'd written a nice long post responding to your first response but it somehow disappeared, so suffice it to say that I agree to disagree. We're not going to see eye to eye on this one.

@fight4fire Dude, I've been trying to be really civil here but you don't seem to understand the concept, so I'll just let you bitch and moan as you please. I've no patience to be arguing with people who can't form a coherent thought without insulting someone. If someone needs to "grow the fuck up" here, it's obviously you.
fight4fire Friday 5/25/2012 at 01:22 AM | 93247
fine fine fine. Ill be nice. i dont really care either way
fight4fire Friday 5/25/2012 at 01:23 AM | 93248
There is something that i want to add.Im a strong believer in my opinion and im not the only one that loves these films. The Last House on the left from 1972 has a huge fan base as does I spit on your grave from 1978.Ive heard people on here that say i need to see a theropist.I can guarantee that if we were in front of one right now whether it be Dr. Phil or someone else that they would say there is nothing wrong with people like me who love these films.They are there own art form.I also believe that alot of people or over looking the revenge factor.I think because of the revenge factor these films can be inspirational to woman as they watch the woman take out her revenge on the rapist.Im really hoping somemore users jump in on my post and reply because i feel that theres alot more people that will feel the sameway i do and me and the people who has already posted comments only represent a small fraction of the horrorbid community.If theres more of you users out there with opinions let them be heard.
horrorlord Friday 5/25/2012 at 03:11 AM | 93253
OMG! Horrorlord you look just like my favorite Scooby-Doo villain! AWESOME!





As for the topic of Rape/Revenge flicks, I think they have their place, I enjoy a good pillaging every now and again I suppose.
JaneDoe Friday 5/25/2012 at 06:37 AM | 93257
rape loving psychos! like im gonna be nice
fight4fire Saturday 5/26/2012 at 09:13 PM | 93280
Look fight4fire the fact is i feel sorry for people like you that don't realize that there is no difference between rape revenge films or slasher films.Violence is violence and we normal people who love these rape revenge films aren't nomore a rapist than you are a real life slasher if those are the kind of movies you like.You seem like your a little slow so im going to explain it in terms you can understand theres a huge world of horror out there and you and people like you who are closed minded are misng out on great works of art which is what horror films are.They're art.Because you have not seen them because of your odd believe's or maybe those aren't your believe's at all and you just convince yourself of that so you don't have to admit the truth to yourself and that truth is is that those movies scares you and your just not man enough to handle them.Either way your misng out on these special movies.Im a man of logic and reason and let me say again that there is nothing wrong with these great films.I will say that if i asked a woman out i would be perfectly fine taking her to see one of these movies because im sure she would get it and take something away from these films.
horrorlord Saturday 5/26/2012 at 10:36 PM | 93281
Wow what did I do to deserve that?! :) Dude I'm just fukin around. I really don't care either way. I'm sure your a normal person. I choose not to watch the movies. Just not my thing man. No big deal. I don't usually get this involved in any threads. i'm more of a reader. however the title grabbed me and I had a little fun. Who cares. that does not mean I don't mean the majority of what I said. I don't think that the subject matter of rape and slasher is the same. you argue that a lot of people do. I would argue that a lot of people don't. Ive watched parts of the revenge part of last house on the left out of curioty. It wasn't good in my opinion. So to say im misng great works of art..... no not really. so if the rape scene in that movie was the only thing that made it good, then im not to worried that I missed it. I've seen parts of the hills have eyes 1 and got bored with it. thats not really a rape revenge movie though. the movies dont scare me at all. i choose to not watch violent rape scenes. its a choice. doesnt make me close minded at all. saying someone is closed minded for making a choice to not allow certain things in their house is more close minded and "slow" if you will. and to call my beliefs "odd" makes you no different than me or anyone else on here who has dogged you for your beliefs! so now you have finally joined the majority in bashing someone for their opinion. Im usually over the top and thats fine. but subtle hypocrisy is no different than over the top. dont worry about whether im man enough to handle those kind of movies. my manhood is not determined by the type of movies i watch. that was funny though. to sum it all up, I really dont care that much. I know what I watch and I dont care what anyone else watches. and feel free to take your dates to see rape movies. maybe the type of women you date would love that on a first date. Who knows ha ha!
fight4fire Sunday 5/27/2012 at 02:49 PM | 93286
That's cool fight4fire.I'll agree that some of my comments were out of line.I can also agree that it's good for horror for people to like there own things.Me myself I like lots of different types of horror films from slashers to psychological thriller horror films like Orphan and the xth sense and incidious

also like ghost story's.There are plenty of those type of films and hopefully they'll keep coming.When I posted this article I choose these films because why i do love them there aren't very many of those types of films.I choose these over more torture porn films for two reasons.The first as i mentioned was because there is very few of them and alittle more torture porn is out there than them.Anyway I want to thank you for responding to my post.While we have to agree to disagree on the subject matter it is something that got alot of attention which is what I wanted.The views are way up there.I figured there might be more people responding because i always like hearing other horror fans opinions whether they agree with me or not.I like hearing why there opinion is what it is.It makes me posting these thing's worth wild.I don't like bashing people on here myself.If your wondering what pushed me over the top it was the rape loving psycho thing.I don't respond to as many posts on here as i would like.Im hoping to respond more in the future because i feel it's very important for horror fans to speak out and let there opinion be heard.Anyway you and your family take care dude and I hope to see you back on here on one of my future post's if i post anything that interest's you.
horrorlord Sunday 5/27/2012 at 03:42 PM | 93287
no big deal. I know your not a rape loving psycho. my bad nce i was too personal in my comments. i should have left my over the top comments more towards the subject and not so much towards any 1 individual. the subject is definately a heated one. props for that. I enjoy heating a subject up. hope you didnt take it too personal. like i said i usually dont post but this one got my attention. keep em comin. Ill be nice for real next time. maybe.
fight4fire Monday 5/28/2012 at 12:43 AM | 93294
The rape scene in the I Spit on Your Grave remake was not filmed to show the horror of rape, it was exploitation made for the ck folk who think rape is something sexual to get off on. I love a disturbing scene that can get under your skin, but after 20 or 30 minutes of explicitly showing a group of men sexually torture a woman, you cross a line from disturbing scene to reveling and dare I say enjoying the rape. After watching a filmmaker take such obvious joy on victimizing a woman, the exhilaration of revenge is lost. This is not something to be taken lightly. We need no reason to encourage such horrible behavior. To say that watching a rape scene will make someone a rapist as much as watching Friday the 13th will make someone kill people in the woods is painfully ignorant. Rape is real, and close to home for too many people. Killers in the woods are pretty much fiction, and therefore provide an escape for the viewer. Keep horror films as a form of escape, and do the right thing and don't give a ngle penny to films that treat rape as a vehicle for some ck pervert's fantasy.
KMLandis66 Monday 5/28/2012 at 02:17 AM | 93296
The rape scene in the I Spit on Your Grave remake was not filmed to show the horror of rape, it was exploitation made for the ck folk who think rape is something sexual to get off on. I love a disturbing scene that can get under your skin, but after 20 or 30 minutes of explicitly showing a group of men sexually torture a woman, you cross a line from disturbing scene to reveling and dare I say enjoying the rape. After watching a filmmaker take such obvious joy on victimizing a woman, the exhilaration of revenge is lost. This is not something to be taken lightly. We need no reason to encourage such horrible behavior. To say that watching a rape scene will make someone a rapist as much as watching Friday the 13th will make someone kill people in the woods is painfully ignorant. Rape is real, and close to home for too many people. Killers in the woods are pretty much fiction, and therefore provide an escape for the viewer. Keep horror films as a form of escape, and do the right thing and don't give a ngle penny to films that treat rape as a vehicle for some ck pervert's fantasy.

Very good point. I have not seen the rape scene in i spit... but have read several reviews on it. all the stuff I read bacally said that it seemed to go on forever and that the rest of the movie bacally sucked after that. Ive also read that the revenge scenes did not do justice to the rape therefore leaving the viewer even more disgusted. I wont continue to say that the people who watch these movies are ck in the head cause I said I wouldn't but as i did say in an earlier post, anyone who can t through a scene like that and enjoy it really shouldnt go around bragging about it. I understand that we become calloused over the years watching horror movies but to keep pushing the envelope further and further till the scenes are uncomfortable for people is wrong. Ive read reviews on here about a movie that even involves the rape of an infant! how much further do we really need to push it. there is a difference between a good scare and revolting disgust. Your very right about slasher flicks being an escape for the viewer. As Nice as i can say it, the argument that its the same is not just ignorant but

very uneducated. Its good to see that, despite of the OP's plea for people to agree with him, the majority still strongly disagree. that gives me faith that the horror fan community still has a sense of what a true horror movie is. no offense horrorlord. I have no doubt there are people out there that do love these movies other wise they wouldnt be made. but that doesnt mean much to me because there are people out there like jeffrey dahmer that like ck shit too. so again, nothin really to brag about.
fight4fire Monday 5/28/2012 at 10:44 PM | 93315
The rape scene in the I Spit on Your Grave remake was not filmed to show the horror of rape, it was exploitation made for the ck folk who think rape is something sexual to get off on. I love a disturbing scene that can get under your skin, but after 20 or 30 minutes of explicitly showing a group of men sexually torture a woman, you cross a line from disturbing scene to reveling and dare I say enjoying the rape. After watching a filmmaker take such obvious joy on victimizing a woman, the exhilaration of revenge is lost. This is not something to be taken lightly. We need no reason to encourage such horrible behavior. To say that watching a rape scene will make someone a rapist as much as watching Friday the 13th will make someone kill people in the woods is painfully ignorant. Rape is real, and close to home for too many people. Killers in the woods are pretty much fiction, and therefore provide an escape for the viewer. Keep horror films as a form of escape, and do the right thing and don't give a ngle penny to films that treat rape as a vehicle for some ck pervert's fantasy.

This is what I've been trying to say from the beginning. There's a line that gets crossed way too ealy with films like this. It's like the film Irréverble; it's a heavily atmospheric film with some really inventive storytelling, and nce sexuality is such a major theme, the rape that occurs is extremely important to the plot. I understand that. But it doesn't need to go on for nearly ten minutes on screen! Sexual violence is so perverse and notorious a crime that many films have managed to make their point clear without portraying or even mentioning the word: the alluon is enough for the audience to understand. The more graphic it becomes is just furthering the exploitive nature of the genre.

And to be fair, the actual "revenge" aspect is kind of dead in the water when the actual victim is killed. Parents punishing her attackers is punishment, not revenge. There's a difference.
dew Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 02:35 AM | 93323
I have to admit, I love rape/revenge movies. They are a rare gem to me. The revenge these women get on the men are over the top and I get a good feeling every time a revenge takes place. The Original I Spit on Your Grave is definitely a prime example of this. I will say, I've seen some pretty terrible things unfold on the televion screen, but the most gut turning rape scene is that of the Last House on the Left remake. Something about that scene makes me extremely uncomfortable. Worse than Snuff 102, Serbian Film, Cannibal, etc. I don't know what it is. Most recently, although not technically a rape/revenge, Lucky McKee's 'The Woman' holds high on my Women/Revenge flicks. I read the book as well, and for those asking for a woman raping a man, the follow up short story 'Cow' delivers. Hopefully, they will go forward with it as a film.
zombieoween Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 03:35 AM | 93325
I think another point, as well, is to show the viewer how ugly things are. You're supposed to feel disgusted, outraged, ck, what have you. Shock value is another factor, and the main thing that may be hard to see is film is fictionalized. It's a weird thing, maybe just to me, but knowing that it is just a film, it's hard for me to take it so harshly. I'm aware that this happens, I am by no means searching out to find a snuff film of sorts. That, I can not handle. Maybe it is crosng a line for viewers, but it takes some guts to cross it.
zombieoween Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 03:43 AM | 93326
I have to admit, I love rape/revenge movies. They are a rare gem to me. The revenge these women get on the men are over the top and I get a good feeling every time a revenge takes place. The Original I Spit on Your Grave is definitely a prime example of this. I will say, I've seen some pretty terrible things unfold on the televion screen, but the most gut turning rape scene is that of the Last House on the Left remake. Something about that scene makes me extremely uncomfortable. Worse than Snuff 102, Serbian Film, Cannibal, etc. I don't know what it is. Most recently, although not technically a rape/revenge, Lucky McKee's 'The Woman' holds high on my Women/Revenge flicks. I read the book as well, and for those asking for a woman raping a man, the follow up short story 'Cow' delivers. Hopefully, they will go forward with it as a film.

I totally agree, I feel empowered as a woman by these films, not disgusted.
Disturbed_voices Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 03:53 AM | 93327
Coffee anyone?
aceofspades70 Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 04:01 AM | 93330
Coffee anyone?

2 sugars please.
Shakelford, J. Rusty Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 04:02 AM | 93331
Coffee anyone?

2 sugars please.

coming right up...
aceofspades70 Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 04:06 AM | 93332
Wow, so ... I've been a reader of this te for the last four or five years and this is the first post I've ever responded to.

I take interest in this particular subject because I'm an actor/filmmaker who is currently preparing to film a paranormal rape/revenge picture this August.

(That's not just a shameless plug ... I was just giving a reason for my response.)

First of all, I take issue with the implication that only misogynists and sociopaths like these films.

My wife loves them.

She enjoys watching people do horrible things and then get their just rewards.

I understand that this particular genre is not for everyone but stereotyping the ones who do enjoy them makes you no different than the old woman who thinks you worship Satan because she saw you at the store in a Metallica t-shirt.

It's ignorant.

Secondly, someone made mention that these films never show the aftermath of rape, the psychological torture and broken life that follows.

I would counter that horror films seldom show the aftermath of anything.

We never see Charlie trying to explain why his best friend and the nice gay couple next door have been staked to death.

We fade out and then fade back in on a happy ending.

I totally understand the topic making people uncomfortable.

I think that discomfort is the reason why some filmmakers choose to utilize the issue.

I find it curious how most horror fans will laugh, clap, and enjoy watching dozens of human beings mowed down, mutilated and murdered.

Yet, rape remains quite the taboo.

Is rape worse than murder?

"Rape and violence against women is a real problem!"

Indeed it is.

So is murder.

"How do you think it makes rape victims feel when they see a film like I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE?"

How does the family member of a murder victim feel when they see HALLOWEEN?

I think rape/revenge films are pure horror at their core.

Why?

The subject is horrific.

It evokes strong feelings of dread and disgust in audiences.

It makes people uneasy.

It should.

But we'll watch people get murdered and think nothing of it.

We enjoy it.

We sometimes even get bored with it.

I'm not saying we need a flood of rape/revenge movies on the market but it is a valid sub-genre and remains one of the last true shocks of cinema.
DEmeryTaylor Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 07:53 AM | 93333
Wow, so ... I've been a reader of this te for the last four or five years and this is the first post I've ever responded to.

I take interest in this particular subject because I'm an actor/filmmaker who is currently preparing to film a paranormal rape/revenge picture this August.

(That's not just a shameless plug ... I was just giving a reason for my response.)

First of all, I take issue with the implication that only misogynists and sociopaths like these films.

My wife loves them.

She enjoys watching people do horrible things and then get their just rewards.

I understand that this particular genre is not for everyone but stereotyping the ones who do enjoy them makes you no different than the old woman who thinks you worship Satan because she saw you at the store in a Metallica t-shirt.

It's ignorant.

Secondly, someone made mention that these films never show the aftermath of rape, the psychological torture and broken life that follows.

I would counter that horror films seldom show the aftermath of anything.

We never see Charlie trying to explain why his best friend and the nice gay couple next door have been staked to death.

We fade out and then fade back in on a happy ending.

I totally understand the topic making people uncomfortable.

I think that discomfort is the reason why some filmmakers choose to utilize the issue.

I find it curious how most horror fans will laugh, clap, and enjoy watching dozens of human beings mowed down, mutilated and murdered.

Yet, rape remains quite the taboo.

Is rape worse than murder?

"Rape and violence against women is a real problem!"

Indeed it is.

So is murder.

"How do you think it makes rape victims feel when they see a film like I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE?"

How does the family member of a murder victim feel when they see HALLOWEEN?

I think rape/revenge films are pure horror at their core.

Why?

The subject is horrific.

It evokes strong feelings of dread and disgust in audiences.

It makes people uneasy.

It should.

But we'll watch people get murdered and think nothing of it.

We enjoy it.

We sometimes even get bored with it.

I'm not saying we need a flood of rape/revenge movies on the market but it is a valid sub-genre and remains one of the last true shocks of cinema.

Thanks for chiming in DEmery. Good point you have made here, and I see that you guys are adding additional cast. Hopefully this will be a successful shoot for you all. Looking forward to seeing it. (this is Lee by the way)

Yes, we all have our own liking whether it be slasher, psychological, etc. for horror films. We should all be able to discuss them without it becoming personal.
aceofspades70 Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 02:16 PM | 93337
Yes, we all have our own liking whether it be slasher, psychological, etc. for horror films. We should all be able to discuss them without it becoming personal.

^^^ This x10 ^^^

Also: @DEmeryTaylor, RE: Aftermath One thing I cannot stand is when films go to a series and never deal with the obvious aftermath of, like you said, what would seem random murders and disappearances. I think a film can end without touching on it - sort of indicating that it might be a problem in the future but really isn't relevant to the story they were trying to tell - but once you hit onto a sequel or series, its bound to come up.

A lot of supernatural televion series have been really good with dealing with that sort of thing; you saw the loss of credibility for the FBI agents in X-Files straight away, the Buffy series started out on an aftermath note with the heroine going to a new school with a lot of baggage from her old one, and Supernatural has its lead characters constantly hounded by law enforcement for what seem to be murders, etc.

Way off topic, I realize, but still an interesting thought.
dew Tuesday 5/29/2012 at 10:42 PM | 93342
Wow, so ... I've been a reader of this te for the last four or five years and this is the first post I've ever responded to.

I take interest in this particular subject because I'm an actor/filmmaker who is currently preparing to film a paranormal rape/revenge picture this August.

(That's not just a shameless plug ... I was just giving a reason for my response.)

First of all, I take issue with the implication that only misogynists and sociopaths like these films.

My wife loves them.

She enjoys watching people do horrible things and then get their just rewards.

I understand that this particular genre is not for everyone but stereotyping the ones who do enjoy them makes you no different than the old woman who thinks you worship Satan because she saw you at the store in a Metallica t-shirt.

It's ignorant.

Secondly, someone made mention that these films never show the aftermath of rape, the psychological torture and broken life that follows.

I would counter that horror films seldom show the aftermath of anything.

We never see Charlie trying to explain why his best friend and the nice gay couple next door have been staked to death.

We fade out and then fade back in on a happy ending.

I totally understand the topic making people uncomfortable.

I think that discomfort is the reason why some filmmakers choose to utilize the issue.

I find it curious how most horror fans will laugh, clap, and enjoy watching dozens of human beings mowed down, mutilated and murdered.

Yet, rape remains quite the taboo.

Is rape worse than murder?

"Rape and violence against women is a real problem!"

Indeed it is.

So is murder.

"How do you think it makes rape victims feel when they see a film like I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE?"

How does the family member of a murder victim feel when they see HALLOWEEN?

I think rape/revenge films are pure horror at their core.

Why?

The subject is horrific.

It evokes strong feelings of dread and disgust in audiences.

It makes people uneasy.

It should.

But we'll watch people get murdered and think nothing of it.

We enjoy it.

We sometimes even get bored with it.

I'm not saying we need a flood of rape/revenge movies on the market but it is a valid sub-genre and remains one of the last true shocks of cinema. excellent points! Many of which i was trying to make earlier in this thread but i'm just not that articulate lol
AgnesItsMeBilly Thursday 5/31/2012 at 09:18 PM | 93384
Well, to start I just got to say I love all four movies !! That being said I understand where a lot of people even horror lovers can view these as torture porn or trash. However, I don't think that at all I think these movies have their place just like any movie that bends the rules and puts it in your face does and of course, there are going to be truly ck people out there watching them, but that can be said about any gore fest of a movie. I mean I've seen things way worse, and I think a lot of people here have the fact is rape is a truly horrifying thing, and a lot of people find it hard to believe that a "normal" horror lover would like a movie like this, but I can say without a doubt they can !! My own mother who HATES horror movies other than the scream series lol loved the re make of Last house on the left and again with my ster she watched the re make of I spit on your grave (Day of the woman) and she doesn't like horror movies and when I turned them on or in my mothers, case went to the movies with me to see it at the end they were cheering the girl/parents on and for me that is what these movies are about !! They show us those primal emotions of rage and revenge and its rightful. I mean I highly doubt anyone here would send that girl or her parents away for what they did these movies base them self's on not just a horrible thing but on the outcome and that HECK YEAH feeling as do a lot of the great horror movies. As I said I understand why some people will always bash these movies and movies like them but in my eyes, the fact that these people get what is coming to them in the end, and it's not just okay let's show her get raped and kill her, and that was the main point to show people rape or at least I don't think so, and I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me, but that's what I think and I will cheer these girls on to the end. So yes I would like to see more movies like this, but I'm not going to t through a movie just to watch a girl or even a guy get raped just for the sake of showing a rape in my opinion there is a big difference and I've been ckened by movies that do just that.
Darkgotheyed Sunday 6/10/2012 at 02:35 AM | 93567
I like rape & revenge movies.. fuck all these haters.
Detective Cameron Thursday 1/10/2013 at 08:59 PM | 99572
And maybe you can ask Horrorbid to add Rape as one the choices for Favorite Sub-Genre. If they did that I would change my profile.
Detective Cameron Thursday 1/10/2013 at 09:02 PM | 99573