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THE TERRY LAMBERT SITUATION

Where do I start off. I really wish I didn't have to be involved in this tuation. Unfortunately owning a horror collecting webte we deal with both independent artists as well as you the buyer and that puts us in a very vicarious potion. By nature we have to deal with the good and the bad that this hobby has to offer. I do have a vested interest in this particular topic though as I am still awaiting a product myself that was due months ago. I honestly could care less when I get it and I have made sure Terry knows that. I want Terry to get better but I do realize that everyone can't be this patient nor should they have to be.

We do everything we can to create a safe trading experience on our de but often other areas of the hobby trickle onto all the horror forums. And that is exactly what has happened here. I will not go into the details of the tuation. If your reading this chances are you probably know the story better than I do. But we do have a tuation that is very unfortunate. It seems that everyone wants to know exactly whats going on but no te will allow people to voice their opinions. Why is that. Is it because we are trying to hide our friends so people can't drag their name through the mud? No because I don't care if your part of my family. If I pay you for a product and you don't respond to me within a reasonable amount of time or I never get said product I am the first one to start asking questions and demanding answers.

The honest truth of the matter is we really can't allow people to come on and start throwing around accusations and start name calling because at the end of the day we are responble for what is on our tes. I can't speak for others but I have been "threatened" with legal action for allowing threads to continue. Now am I at all worried about this, the answer is no. But I have respected this because most threads lead to exactly what I described, wild accusations and name calling. If we were all able to come here explain our story, say how long it has taken to get our order and stay civil we could talk about it till we were blue in the face. Unfortunately it doesn't happen that way.

So please understand me when I say this. This whole tuation really does make me ck. I pray that Terry makes a full recovery. I think what has happened to CGP and his reputation is horrible. But I do understand why people are so upset and so venomous. We really need a new system because the one we have no obviously doesn't work. Many learned it "back in the day" with the Mask Maker tuation and now it seems to be rearing its ugly head once again. When I buy a product from Darkde Studio's I know I am getting that product within days not months. Because Paul makes his products before I order them. As does Casey from The Prop Shop. Now I understand that I might have to wait on products from independent artists that don't practice this way. I send them money and then they make the product. I accept this as do many of you. But when we have to e-mail over and over again to find out about our order status that is when it becomes shaky. When it takes months and months to finally get a product thats when it becomes really tough. I can live with it if I am told that up front but often times we are not. We are all here to have fun and collect but we do support various independent artists and we do allow many of them to make a decent living. If we want things to change we can all demand things to be different. Until we do unfortunate tuations like this will always be present.

Do I personally think Terry masterminded this plan to accept all this money and then not deliver a product? No I don't. Maybe I am naive. I truly believe he is ck. Do I think this was handled right? Of course not. You can't own a buness and accept money for a product and then not update people on their order status or return e-mails. When I buy a product and you become ck I still want my product. I am sorry about you being ck, it sucks. But me penny pinching for 2 months to save up enough money to buy a product and then not given any info for months at a time is mply unacceptable.

This thread will undoubtedly be locked (on my own forum even) mply because it will more than likely get out of hand. But I can't just push this to the de anymore. That's whats been done in the past and I'm not going to operate like that anymore. I genuinely care about you guys and this industry. I hope this tuation wakes everyone up. We need to work together to make this as safe as a hobby as posble. I hope that all parties settle this and I pray that Terry gets well soon. When he does I hope he can step in and explain this whole mess and how it can be handled differently. So people like me don't have to....

Thanks all, Justin
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Sunday 5/10/2009 at 06:29 AM | 45460
Very good write up J!!!

Myself personally... I don't know what to believe anymore... I've read and heard so many different stories that my mind is rattled loose. However given the circumstances of him having such a good name and now this, I would put my money on him just being ck too... However there is always that little voice of reason in the back of my head saying "Maybe this isn't the tuation". BUT. It is what it is and either way I agree. Penny Pinching for 2 months saving up to buy something you really want and are "finally" able too and then something like this happens and you get no communication nor reason. It is Unacceptable...

However the tuation is, I would sure love to see things clear up for everyone who ordered and of course for Terry. I can't wait for the good explanation and reason behind all of this. And I can wait to see what is going on between Jay and Terry. I think thats what rocks me around the most...

--Ryan
Harry Warden Sunday 5/10/2009 at 06:55 AM | 45461
Excellent post Justin.

I completely agree with everything you said.

Thankfully I don't have any current dealings with CGP, but as someone who has had issues with a few artists in the past, Terry included, I can definitely understand everyone's frustrations.

I think most people around the forums voice their opinions respectfully, but there are a select few that constently go too far with their comments.

As a favor to everyone in this hobby who has had a questionable deal in the past or present, I hope that the comments can be kept under control.

We really need threads like this to remain open.
gummi Sunday 5/10/2009 at 06:57 AM | 45462
I agree with everything that has been said here. The tuation is both sad and unacceptable. To prevent this from happening the overall tuation has to be changed indeed. I can see the reasons for maskmakers selling the products and then making them later. It takes away all the risk of unsold copies from them. But it also weakens the potion of the buyer conderably. This is one of the many reasons why I only buy masks 2nd hand these days. Most of the time I get them cheaper than they originally were and above all there is no ridiculous waiting time. Maskmakers greed is getting out of hand and the only ones who can stop that are the buyers. Most of the maskmakers have another job, but some make their living off it. And it's usually the latter kind of which that charges ridiculous amounts and makes us wait for months and months.
Achilles Sunday 5/10/2009 at 08:47 AM | 45463
very well said boo. this is a terrible tuation for all parties involved and things do need to change. the problem is once we send payment for a mask that money more than likely gets spent before we get our mask. so even if he wanted to give everyone a refund that money is probably gone. and now all the medical bills. that is the problem right there. dont spend the money until the masks have been shipped.

pamelavoorheesRIP Sunday 5/10/2009 at 02:53 PM | 45467
I hope for the best for you guys involved in this ..

I have always had a problem with taking orders on my stuff because of life .. You never know what is around the corner .. As someone that works a full time job other than making mask I think it is just better to make something then sell it .. The buyer knows just what he is getting and knows when he is getting it .. I do take a few orders here and there but I make sure that I will have time to do them in a timely manner ..

Take care and hope it works out for the best ..

Lewis
maskmaniac Sunday 5/10/2009 at 03:10 PM | 45471
i am spechless.

i have never seen a forum owner come right out and tell it like it is. i applaud you for that justin. i am still awaiting my product also. do i hate terry for whats happened no. i also hope he gets better but i just want my mask. 300 bucks may not be a lot of money to some people but to me it is. especially in this economy. i just want some answers and its a shame that he has time to post pictures of his treatment mask but not enough time to email me or let me know whats going on with my order. i just hope things change.
oldskool Sunday 5/10/2009 at 03:33 PM | 45472
If we were all able to come here explain our story, say how long it has taken to get our order and stay civil we could talk about it till we were blue in the face. Unfortunately it doesn't happen that way.

This is exactly the problem. When this tuation first popped up we were the only te to allow a thread and it did stay civil for a long time. Unfortunately it did get to the point where a certain few members started turning it into a bashing thread and it got to be too much to keep editing and we had to lock it down. We gave everyone a chance to voice their opinion and everyone who wanted to, did. Once there is some new development then by all means it can be reported but we really don't need (or want) several Terry bashing threads all repeating the same thing over and over again.

the problem is once we send payment for a mask that money more than likely gets spent before we get our mask.

This is my biggest pet peeve as a collector. I don't care if you have medical bills or if the bank is trying to take your house...when you accept money from someone for a product, that money is not yours to touch until you send out that product, period!
lblambert Sunday 5/10/2009 at 03:45 PM | 45474
I can't speak for others but I have been "threatened" with legal action for allowing threads to continue.

It really burns my ass that people have the time and resources to "protect their image" with lawsuits and threats, instead of building that image by just doing what they were paid to do in the first place.

I'm sorry, but if you can't ship out your product, issue a refund, or refuse to explain or defend serious accusations made against you, then you have no right to a "good image".

You reap what you sow.
Snoballz Sunday 5/10/2009 at 04:01 PM | 45475
I can't speak for others but I have been "threatened" with legal action for allowing threads to continue.

It really burns my ass that people have the time and resources to "protect their image" with lawsuits and threats, instead of building that image by just doing what they were paid to do in the first place.

I'm sorry, but if you can't ship out your product, issue a refund, or refuse to explain or defend serious accusations made against you, then you have no right to a "good image".

You reap what you sow.

i could not agree with you more. the effort that is put into proving an illness seems like time that could be spent filling orders or explaining the tuation fully. just let everyone know what is going on. most people would probably understand. it doesnt take a lot to make a post about why your order is taking months to go out. but when you say your gonna close down shop at the end of the season but you still ask people to send money for masks because its slow around the shop. that doesnt make any sense. get the orders shipped out first and then worry about down the road.
customcritters Sunday 5/10/2009 at 06:50 PM | 45481
People need to remember, this all started with the Jay Allen Kirk mask. Before that, no one was talking about the tuation with Terry, and people's orders. Or if it was, it was kept to PM's between people. What's sad is, it appears that Jay has been pushed ade in many circles, yet it was his tuation that got the ball rolling on this whole ordeal.
SithLord Sunday 5/10/2009 at 08:23 PM | 45483
well this is such a hot topic i felt i would at least say something. i am a huge terry lambert fan. i have a lot of his masks and i admire his work. but i do understand why people are so frustrated right now. this was handled horribly, plain and mple. he needs to refund the money or do something to let the community know whats going on.
joelsparks Sunday 5/10/2009 at 08:25 PM | 45484
People need to remember, this all started with the Jay Allen Kirk mask. Before that, no one was talking about the tuation with Terry, and people's orders. Or if it was, it was kept to PM's between people. What's sad is, it appears that Jay has been pushed ade in many circles, yet it was his tuation that got the ball rolling on this whole ordeal.

I really feel for Jay... That whole tuation is a Nightmare, I can only imagen... I just hope that gets sorted out. As I said prior, That tuation alone is what rocks me around the most...

--Ryan
Harry Warden Monday 5/11/2009 at 02:05 AM | 45506
Hey guys, Terry did post an update today on his te. Whether this thread was responble or not who knows. He does address the lack of e-mail communication....


href="http://www.cemeterygateproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2114">http://www.cemeterygateproductions.com/ ... php?t=2114
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Monday 5/11/2009 at 03:20 AM | 45518
i would have to disagree.... nothing answers an e-mail like a mple reply... a mask is nice, too... but, it's just another vague reply...

has anyone recieved any replies on their 30th mask? if so, what's up?
theStoic Monday 5/11/2009 at 04:02 AM | 45525
At this point, I'm not sure even emails would convince anyone. Nope. The only way people are going to be convinced, is if/when they show up on they're doorstep, and even then, he'll still only be half way out of the woods. As I said in the post above, he needs to come clean on the whereabout's of Jay's Kirk mask. Because what Jay has now, certainly isn't what Jay sent Terry to be restored.
SithLord Monday 5/11/2009 at 08:08 AM | 45530
At this point, I'm not sure even emails would convince anyone. Nope. The only way people are going to be convinced, is if/when they show up on they're doorstep, and even then, he'll still only be half way out of the woods. As I said in the post above, he needs to come clean on the whereabout's of Jay's Kirk mask. Because what Jay has now, certainly isn't what Jay sent Terry to be restored.

Terry has gotten better with communication, plus masks have started showing up at people's doorsteps.

He is finished his treatments and it looks like product is flowing again, so for that, I am very optimistic.

I don't believe that Jay's mask was brought up at all in BooMan's original post and quite frankly, I believe it should stay that way.

I think the whole Jay's Kirk tuation is a complete mess, but it should stay between Terry and Jay until there is a resolution.

Case in point, Jay's "Tick Tock" message on another board started this entire name-calling, rumor-spreading tuation.

I don't want to sound cold, but whatever is going on with Jay's mask is absolutely none of my buness.

I just wish it would not be brought up or discussed any further until there is a definite resolution.
Billy Pilgrim Friday 5/15/2009 at 11:58 AM | 45741
At this point, I'm not sure even emails would convince anyone. Nope. The only way people are going to be convinced, is if/when they show up on they're doorstep, and even then, he'll still only be half way out of the woods. As I said in the post above, he needs to come clean on the whereabout's of Jay's Kirk mask. Because what Jay has now, certainly isn't what Jay sent Terry to be restored.

Terry has gotten better with communication, plus masks have started showing up at people's doorsteps.

He is finished his treatments and it looks like product is flowing again, so for that, I am very optimistic.

I don't believe that Jay's mask was brought up at all in BooMan's original post and quite frankly, I believe it should stay that way.

I think the whole Jay's Kirk tuation is a complete mess, but it should stay between Terry and Jay until there is a resolution.

Case in point, Jay's "Tick Tock" message on another board started this entire name-calling, rumor-spreading tuation.

I don't want to sound cold, but whatever is going on with Jay's mask is absolutely none of my buness.

I just wish it would not be brought up or discussed any further until there is a definite resolution.

very well said billy.

pamelavoorheesRIP Friday 5/15/2009 at 07:21 PM | 45754
At this point, I'm not sure even emails would convince anyone. Nope. The only way people are going to be convinced, is if/when they show up on they're doorstep, and even then, he'll still only be half way out of the woods. As I said in the post above, he needs to come clean on the whereabout's of Jay's Kirk mask. Because what Jay has now, certainly isn't what Jay sent Terry to be restored.

Terry has gotten better with communication, plus masks have started showing up at people's doorsteps.

He is finished his treatments and it looks like product is flowing again, so for that, I am very optimistic.

I don't believe that Jay's mask was brought up at all in BooMan's original post and quite frankly, I believe it should stay that way.

I think the whole Jay's Kirk tuation is a complete mess, but it should stay between Terry and Jay until there is a resolution.

Case in point, Jay's "Tick Tock" message on another board started this entire name-calling, rumor-spreading tuation.

I don't want to sound cold, but whatever is going on with Jay's mask is absolutely none of my buness.

I just wish it would not be brought up or discussed any further until there is a definite resolution.

that is more than a fair point. my issue with terry is mply the lack of communication, its unacceptable. i want a refund or my mask. jays problems are a whole different issue.
oldskool Friday 5/15/2009 at 08:31 PM | 45757
that is more than a fair point. my issue with terry is mply the lack of communication, its unacceptable. i want a refund or my mask. jays problems are a whole different issue.

This irks me more than anything.

It seems that for every person that posts about hearing from him, I see another post or two about zero communication.

It's complete b.s. that he seems to be picking and choong the people that he updates.

I guess if you've "hassled" him this is your punishment.

gummi Friday 5/15/2009 at 09:27 PM | 45761
At this point, I'm not sure even emails would convince anyone. Nope. The only way people are going to be convinced, is if/when they show up on they're doorstep, and even then, he'll still only be half way out of the woods. As I said in the post above, he needs to come clean on the whereabout's of Jay's Kirk mask. Because what Jay has now, certainly isn't what Jay sent Terry to be restored.

Terry has gotten better with communication, plus masks have started showing up at people's doorsteps.

He is finished his treatments and it looks like product is flowing again, so for that, I am very optimistic.

I don't believe that Jay's mask was brought up at all in BooMan's original post and quite frankly, I believe it should stay that way.

I think the whole Jay's Kirk tuation is a complete mess, but it should stay between Terry and Jay until there is a resolution.

Case in point, Jay's "Tick Tock" message on another board started this entire name-calling, rumor-spreading tuation.

I don't want to sound cold, but whatever is going on with Jay's mask is absolutely none of my buness.

I just wish it would not be brought up or discussed any further until there is a definite resolution.

No. The truth is, no one would be on CGP if what happened to Jay, wasn't brought to the forefront. Also, The people who ordered a JA 75, were to get they're money back from Terry, now that, that project has been scrapped. That's what this whole thing is REALLY all about. Alway's has been. It sucks that these other people have been slighted, but keep in mind where this originated.
SithLord Saturday 5/16/2009 at 07:29 AM | 45783
Is far as I'm concerned, Terry probably feel's that if he starts sending out these order's now, it will divert attention away from what brought all this out in the first place. Not to mention, a guy over on another form said that he just got a mask from Terry, and the finishing job was less then satisfactory. He think's it's do to the fact that Terry is still having de effects. There's been some people in touch with another person who was close to Terry for quite sometime, and what they have said about Terry, I wish could be posted on some of these boards. You guys would really be taken-a-back.
SithLord Saturday 5/16/2009 at 07:35 AM | 45784


No. The truth is, no one would be on CGP if what happened to Jay, wasn't brought to the forefront. Also, The people who ordered a JA 75, were to get they're money back from Terry, now that, that project has been scrapped. That's what this whole thing is REALLY all about. Alway's has been. It sucks that these other people have been slighted, but keep in mind where this originated.

I agree completely about how what happened to Jay started this whole mess.

But again, whose buness is it bedes Jay and Terry?

Why did Jay feel it necessary to air his grievances in public, rather than to keep them between he and Terry? There's been some people in touch with another person who was close to Terry for quite sometime, and what they have said about Terry, I wish could be posted on some of these boards. You guys would really be taken-a-back.

More heresay and attempts to make Terry look like a monster.

The whole "my brother's boyfriend's ster knew the guy who (blah blah)" should stay in the fifth grade where it belongs.

th, what is your agenda?

What do you get out of constantly trashing Terry and bringing the Jay tuation to the forefront?

It seems like you have a serious vendetta against Terry.
Billy Pilgrim Sunday 5/17/2009 at 02:04 PM | 45846
Hey Billy. You have no idea what is going on, behind the scenes. OK. I, along with a few others, have information. Jay though, isn't aloud to talk about it. Just because you're not in the loop, don't automatically think that everything that I and other's say is "Heresay". For your information, the JA75 project isn't just between Jay and Terry. It's between the several people who preordered a copy, by sending Terry either full payment or a down payment. This technically isn't about any other person out there that has been screwed over by this guy. It's all about the people who sent him $$$ for the JA mask. You think those people are ever going to see they're money again?? LOL.
SithLord Sunday 5/17/2009 at 07:59 PM | 45859
Hey Billy. You have no idea what is going on, behind the scenes. OK. I, along with a few others, have information. Jay though, isn't aloud to talk about it. Just because you're not in the loop, don't automatically think that everything that I and other's say is "Heresay". For your information, the JA75 project isn't just between Jay and Terry. It's between the several people who preordered a copy, by sending Terry either full payment or a down payment. This technically isn't about any other person out there that has been screwed over by this guy. It's all about the people who sent him $$$ for the JA mask. You think those people are ever going to see they're money again?? LOL.

You are absolutely correct, I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

Neither does anyone else, other than (supposedly) you or your few others.

I say supposedly because even though you continuously trumpet how bad of a guy Terry is, you never come to the table with hard facts.

If you know something but can't say, then why dangle the carrot?

Why can't we all just let this play out between the parties involved without announcing updates to these forums?I don't know if the JA75 people will see their money again.

I don't know because it's none of my buness.I will say that at least Terry has not come on any of these boards to comment on a tuation that obviously he feels should stay between he and whoever is directly involved.

I wish Jay had done the same.

As far as your involvement, I still am at a loss.

As far as I can tell, you are not Jay, Terry, or anyone else with a JA75 order.

If Jay is not allowed to talk about it, and he is directly involved, then why do you feel like you are the one that should?For the record, I don't know who is right, who is wrong, and who is full of shit.

I just don't like seeing someone continuously getting kicked around when there is no proof of guilt or innocence one way of the other.
Billy Pilgrim Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 11:30 AM | 45995
I agree completely about how what happened to Jay started this whole mess.

But again, whose buness is it bedes Jay and Terry?

Why did Jay feel it necessary to air his grievances in public, rather than to keep them between he and Terry? I can think of a good reason. In fact anyone wouldn't know why Jay would bring this to the public kind of surprises me. To start with this is a collector's te. People buy, sell, trade stuff from these independant artists everyday. Feedback and High Reputation is only there when the people bring things up front and let other people know about there experiance. Jay was just doing the same, only in his case things didn't turn out so well. So... When you say that it isn't any of our buness, better think again. The way I see it, Jay was trying to fix his problem and at the same time looking out for us. If I am going to buy something from someone, I want to know the facts about who I am dealing with. Rather the facts are good or bad depends on rather or not I want to risk loong a few hundred bucks or better. Thats what developes feedback and I'm sure thats the reason Jay would bring it public. Something that valuable would piss me off to no end if it happend to me. I would want "Everyone" to know about it as well... If it were you, you would be doing the same.

As for a resolution, I'm sure at some point something is going to be done. And I'm sure we will see how it works out. Nobody said we had to point fingers or that anyone has a vendetta against Terry. People push this issue because now that it's been brought out to the public, it's time for an answer. People want a legitiment excuse for what happend. And if everyone would just sweap it under the rug, thats exactly were it would stay until it happend to someone else. OR the people who knew about it would be wondering if it was going to happen again. Causes alot of doubt, worry and frustration. This is why the JA75 is always being brought up. "Out of te, out of mind". So as long as people are still hearing about this, they are going to continue demanding an explanation.

--Ryan
Harry Warden Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 01:09 PM | 45996
Jays problem; Terry's health issues and anything and everything else ade it comes down to this....for whatever reason there is a buness in our circle that has not treated many customers correctly and the man behind it all has handled it quite bizarrely in my opinion. I know Terry was liked by many people and collectors and I know there were a good bunch that had issues with him. BUT as stated earlier WE as previous customers or future customers of Terry's need to be kept abreast on how his buness is functioning. CGP is still accepting orders correct?

Sadly I think some decent quality customer care on Terry's part could have eased a lot of tempers. Im not trying to lessen the affect cancer has on a life either...Its affected my family profoundly but people still kept to their responbilities that they had.
ny ghoul Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 04:13 PM | 46001


....If I am going to buy something from someone, I want to know the facts about who I am dealing with. Rather the facts are good or bad depends on rather or not I want to risk loong a few hundred bucks or better...

I agree with you here, as you are actually proving my point.

I would love to know facts as well, not rumors and heresay.

Nothing has been proven one way or the other.

People push this issue because now that it's been brought out to the public, it's time for an answer.It was brought to the public in a very poor way.

The initial post was as vague as could be and only served to let people's imaginations run wild.

I read about a half-dozen awful theories regarding Terry that were about as far out of left field as could be.

Now we hear that someone knows someone who has some bad things to say.

Really??

If it's time for an answer, let Jay or Terry reveal what the answer is.

What right do we have to demand answers if the accuser himself can't talk about it?

Do we really think that constantly bringing it up will speed up resolution?

I would think that Jay is doing everything he can to bring this to a close as soon as posble, so I for one will let him reveal anything that happens.

If all of these accusations make you weary of placing orders with CGP, then it's as mple as not ordering.
Billy Pilgrim Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 05:11 PM | 46006
Jays problem; Terry's health issues and anything and everything else ade it comes down to this....for whatever reason there is a buness in our circle that has not treated many customers correctly and the man behind it all has handled it quite bizarrely in my opinion. I know Terry was liked by many people and collectors and I know there were a good bunch that had issues with him. BUT as stated earlier WE as previous customers or future customers of Terry's need to be kept abreast on how his buness is functioning. CGP is still accepting orders correct?

Sadly I think some decent quality customer care on Terry's part could have eased a lot of tempers. Im not trying to lessen the affect cancer has on a life either...Its affected my family profoundly but people still kept to their responbilities that they had.

No arguments at all here.

It is definitely a fact that Terry has not been very good with communication or delivery times, which is why this is fair dialogue.

Even though I am fully aware of this, I am chalking it up to cancer and the chemo.

I'm also aware that not everyone does, but that's just how I feel.
Billy Pilgrim Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 05:16 PM | 46007
Has there been proof to show that he HAS cancer/tumors or whatever?

That has also been hear say...
Evildsm Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 05:51 PM | 46009
Has there been proof to show that he HAS cancer/tumors or whatever?

That has also been hear say...

There is absolutely proof that he had cancer and had to undergo chemotherapy.

Terry posted pictures of both a copy of his invoice from the operation as well as the huge "mask" he needed to wear while going through the treatments.

Nothing questionable about it.
Billy Pilgrim Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 06:33 PM | 46010
I dunno....

Still is kind of fishy to me.

I respect your points though and I am sure sometime in the near future, one of us will have egg on our face.

Evildsm Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 06:59 PM | 46014
Well, short of showing a video of his surgery, I don't know how much more proof one would need...
Billy Pilgrim Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 07:20 PM | 46015
The reason no proof has been posted in the Jay Allen case is because his attorney and the police have advised him not to comment on it...YET! When Jay gets the ok he will post the whole story and the proof.
SithLord Tuesday 5/19/2009 at 10:14 PM | 46020
I love CGP mask's. I think Terry makes the most authentic looking Myers mask's around. I have five of them and would not even conder selling one. I want to get the new Sandman Edition Warlock, and the new RZ mask's. I was just at the CGP webte and it still says allow 2-4 weeks for delivery. I did not know that Terry was having this type of problem getting masks out, and that he was not answering customers emails. It is a buness, and even if he is ck, there should still be someone to at least answer emails from customers who have sent him money. That's just good buness. I now have reservations about ordering a mask from CGP until I hear that this whole thing has been resolved. What gets me is I saw absolutely nothing on the CGP webte that makes mention of extended delays on shipping due to illness. I believe if I were really bad ck I would certainly put that disclaimer on my webte. I guess Terry is scared if he did that no one would order anything. Maybe so, but getting a bad reputation could kill your buness FOREVER. I hope Terry gets better, and I also hope he rectifies this bad tuation before it becomes un-fixable.
theRabbitinred Wednesday 5/20/2009 at 04:16 AM | 46043
The reason no proof has been posted in the Jay Allen case is because his attorney and the police have advised him not to comment on it...YET! When Jay gets the ok he will post the whole story and the proof.

That's completely fair.

Once the whole thing shakes out, I will gladly read about the outcome.
Billy Pilgrim Wednesday 5/20/2009 at 04:06 PM | 46090
Every time I try to email CGP about buying a mask I get a returned mail delivery error...HMMM!
theRabbitinred Wednesday 5/20/2009 at 05:30 PM | 46094
Every time I try to email CGP about buying a mask I get a returned mail delivery error...HMMM

It has to be the Chemo and Radiation treatments that are effecting his email server.
Evildsm Wednesday 5/20/2009 at 07:29 PM | 46098
If you just go to the CGP forum under General Discuson, Terry has posted some pretty shocking evidence that he did indeed have to endure some harsh chemo treatments. I for one am glad he is doing better. Hopefully he will be able to get everything straightened out. From the posting there it seems his loyal customers are being very supportive. I did not see any negative posts. That's very cool.
Anonymous Friday 5/22/2009 at 06:49 AM | 46221
I did not see any negative posts. That's very cool.

That's only because any negative post on that forum is promptly deleted before anyone gets a chance to read it.
gummi Friday 5/22/2009 at 09:36 AM | 46225
I did not see any negative posts. That's very cool.

That's only because any negative post on that forum is promptly deleted before anyone gets a chance to read it.

D'OH!
ny ghoul Friday 5/22/2009 at 01:06 PM | 46228
OVERDONEWITHGONE
Bridge Friday 5/22/2009 at 03:38 PM | 46233
So, health conditions ade...

How do you explain the misng 75 kirk, recasting past and what happened to the 30 years/JA75 mask?

"All we are is dust in the wind..."

ttin back on the couch, remote in hand, watching cartoons....
Evildsm Friday 5/22/2009 at 04:17 PM | 46237
BOO! I agree with Bridge 100%
Anonymous Friday 5/22/2009 at 04:42 PM | 46240
This forum seems to be ANTI-CGP / Terry Lambert or something. Maybe Karma will catch up to those of you who dogged Terry out. Wouldn't that suck to get Cancer and have to go through what he did? Yeah walk a mile in his shoes. Terry is a great mask maker. You should not be so quick to crucify someone. Oh and by the way I see nothing special about Horror Sanctum masks. I own an HSS H2 and it pales in comparison to a Warlock
Anonymous Friday 5/22/2009 at 04:44 PM | 46241
This forum seems to be ANTI-CGP / Terry Lambert or something. Maybe Karma will catch up to those of you who dogged Terry out. Wouldn't that suck to get Cancer and have to go through what he did? Yeah walk a mile in his shoes. Terry is a great mask maker. You should not be so quick to crucify someone. Oh and by the way I see nothing special about Horror Sanctum masks.

So..... CAN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS??

None of you Terry Leg Humpers are able to answer the mple question that us "Anti Terry" people are asking.

You should shut your damn mouth about HSS.

Who are you to call HSS out and bring him into this.

Is it wrong to respect a company who isn't out to F#$% people over?

Hmmm....

Right....

Go home, poser!

Evildsm Friday 5/22/2009 at 04:50 PM | 46242
No need to stoop to insulting another artist & their work.

As for me, I explain nothing as, the fact of the matter is, it's been gone over so many times until I'm frankly ck of hearing about it.

But, poser...I'll take that as an insult sent my way...good start, let's have some more.

Let's see how many Bridge-haters we can get on here (like I said, if it'll make people stop jumping on any mask maker's case...you can crucify me...I'm the bad guy, remember?)

Don't think I'd hump Terry's leg though.

That would make an interesting You-Tube video, though.

"I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand.

Across the line, you do not....also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature."
Bridge Friday 5/22/2009 at 05:00 PM | 46243
Knock it off guys

kaizu Friday 5/22/2009 at 05:03 PM | 46244
Per Kaizu's request...

I will stop BUT for the record, Bridge, I DID NOT CALL YOU A POSER!

Look at who I quoted.

"Knowledge is power and the power is yours"
Evildsm Friday 5/22/2009 at 05:06 PM | 46245
Per Kaizu's request...

I will stop BUT for the record, Bridge, I DID NOT CALL YOU A POSER!

Look at who I quoted.

"Knowledge is power and the power is yours"

But...but...I wanna be a poser!!



Adam, you steer clear of me with that...hey, what are you doing.

Aw, awe!!

Now that is just not appropriate!

Bridge Friday 5/22/2009 at 05:12 PM | 46246
OK guys I want to let everyone know that the Name calling and artist bashing is coming to an end right here and right now. Horror Bid.com isn't the place to come and throw people under the bus. Parties that have orders with Terry should contact Terry and him only about the orders. If you can't get a hold of him I have seen posts made by him that he is trying to get in contact with everyone so be patient. As far as Horror Bid not supporting Terry Justin and Joel have done raffles with the Warlock mask and advertised his te here for about a year. Warning will be given to those that can't follow the rules by trashing artists and disrespecting members. This goes for all.

It's a pity we can't all get along when a white mask or maker is brought up. It's one mask guys and gals! There is so many other masks out there to be pasonate about. SO please help us out and keep the threads civil and refrain from posting negative remarks to each other. It makes every one look bad involved.
quietonthesetstudios Friday 5/22/2009 at 05:24 PM | 46247
Wow! I agree there's just too much mask bashing. I actually own an HSS H2 mask, and it is very nice. The only reason I brought them up was because it seems every time someone who has a CGP mask posts something about it other forum members just want to try and compare them to HSS masks and say how bad the CGP masks are in comparison. I think all of the mask creators should be given cudos for their work. I apologize for kind of throwing down on Horror Sanctuary, they do make fine masks. It's just everyone has there favorites, and just because you like one mask maker, doesn't give you the right to throw down on another saying "Oh this one is better than that one" Okay that's your opinion, someone else may, and probably does have a completely different opinion. This should be a forum that celebrates the masks and props that folks collect, but I guess we just can't help ourselves...gotta have some drama.

I for one do not get it. Name calling, belittling posters. that's just way too childish. We should help each other and give someone a compliment when they post a picture of their mask. They are obviously proud of it or they would not have posted it. Why would anyone say..."Oh well this veron of that mask is better". Ridiculous
Anonymous Friday 5/22/2009 at 06:35 PM | 46250
This forum seems to be ANTI-CGP / Terry Lambert or something. Maybe Karma will catch up to those of you who dogged Terry out. Wouldn't that suck to get Cancer and have to go through what he did? Yeah walk a mile in his shoes. Terry is a great mask maker. You should not be so quick to crucify someone. Oh and by the way I see nothing special about Horror Sanctum masks. I own an HSS H2 and it pales in comparison to a Warlock

I really had a nice response to your stupidity. I've decided not to post it. Do me a favor and sell my H2 if you don't like my masks.
HorrorSanctum Friday 5/22/2009 at 08:14 PM | 46255
Wow! I agree there's just too much mask bashing. I actually own an HSS H2 mask, and it is very nice. The only reason I brought them up was because it seems every time someone who has a CGP mask posts something about it other forum members just want to try and compare them to HSS masks and say how bad the CGP masks are in comparison. I think all of the mask creators should be given cudos for their work. I apologize for kind of throwing down on Horror Sanctuary, they do make fine masks. It's just everyone has there favorites, and just because you like one mask maker, doesn't give you the right to throw down on another saying "Oh this one is better than that one" Okay that's your opinion, someone else may, and probably does have a completely different opinion. This should be a forum that celebrates the masks and props that folks collect, but I guess we just can't help ourselves...gotta have some drama.

I for one do not get it. Name calling, belittling posters. that's just way too childish. We should help each other and give someone a compliment when they post a picture of their mask. They are obviously proud of it or they would not have posted it. Why would anyone say..."Oh well this veron of that mask is better". Ridiculous

im not sure how you can say this forum is anti cgp. everyone thats here appreciates all the various mask makers work. if you look at the other threads and do your research you will see that. the only problem i have with terry is he hasnt responded to me in over 3 months about the order i placed. is that fair? even though he is ck, and i pray he gets better, is it still ok to not give me my money back or contact me? i will be awaiting your response. personally i love the warlcok, its my favorite h2 mask. your confung people that are upset with the way terry is treating customers and calling it anti cgp. your not informed enough to say that obviously.
oldskool Friday 5/22/2009 at 08:38 PM | 46259
is it me, or does it seem like this message board is slowly becoming everything we always said it would never be????

take care, Tommy
Homicidal9 Friday 5/22/2009 at 09:36 PM | 46272
is it me, or does it seem like this message board is slowly becoming everything we always said it would never be????

take care, Tommy

im not sure this forum is changing but the hobby certainly is. people are getting ripped off more and more nce the great white mask boom. i do applaud this te for allowing people to voice their concerns about not getting their masks but staying civil at the same time.

pamelavoorheesRIP Friday 5/22/2009 at 09:47 PM | 46275
is it me, or does it seem like this message board is slowly becoming everything we always said it would never be????

take care, Tommy it would seem to get that way at times whenever a white mask debate comes upi havent been on this te as much as usual lately because i have been major busy. then i read a lot of the crap getting stirred up on this thread and it makes me ill.

this is supposed to be a FUN forum without the damn drama of other places and im growing weary of it all. the name calling and other BS needs to stop pronto. go to the other forums of you want to do that crap and keep it out of here.

i rarely deal with other forums other than lurking and enjoying some pics here and there. i have been here nce the beginning and i love this place but if this kind of crap continues and this ceases to be the fun forum it was meant to be then i will regn and leave............................
Johnny Bisco Friday 5/22/2009 at 10:00 PM | 46277
I'm tellin ya. If you get rid of "WHITEY" you get rid of, ulcers, cramps, headaches, and severe bloating. This is nonsence, anyway you cut it. No way, should there be bickering like this. I'm strickly talking about comparing masks, now. That has gottin old and stale, real fast.

The other stuff about people getting ripped off (which many people have been ripped off), is what this should be all about. Oh wait, that to also has to do with "WHITEY". Or it's true form any way (you guys know what I mean). This te WILL NOT go the same way as a couple of other tes have. NO WAY!!!! Not in this lifetime. What makes this te work is the fact that, it's not all relegated to one entity. There's a host of things on here that is discussed. That way, the fights are held to a minimum.

Why people need to be so anal about things, is beyond me. "Oh, the nose looks off", "Or the ears don't look right, "The eyes aren't cut right", "I have one nut that hangs lower then the other." All BULLSHIT!!!!!

There are alot of other great character pieces out there, rather then some non discript "ALBINO" looking white mask. Maybe if more people would get interested in an array of items, you wouldn't have all this garbage that flows like sewage crap, from one te to another.

As for what this thread is REALLY about. Look, some of you need to know that this isn't about wheather or not Terry fell ill. If he did, that TRULY SUCKS. I don't care who you are, no one deserves to go through what he may or may not had to endure. However, he's done somethings that are unacceptable, let alone, unprofesonal. This is why some of us have been riding him so hard this last month or two. We know some things people, and it makes you ck that some of these things have taken place.

I'm sure it'll all be resolved sooner, rather then later. One can only hope.
SithLord Friday 5/22/2009 at 10:47 PM | 46285
My apologies to everyone involved
Anonymous Saturday 5/23/2009 at 02:31 AM | 46299
like I said in the first post to this very thread, if we can't stay civil and we haven't the thread will be locked. We are not here to compare masks in this thread in the first place. I am not sure what it is about the white masks that cause this much drama but they sure do! Again its the summer time. We should be enjoying the weather rather than bickering here on a forum or any forum for that matter. Save your bickering for the fall.

Seriously guys. This is a place to have fun and enjoy horror. If your not here to do that than HorrorBid is definitely not your cup of tea....(I do realize its hard to take me serious when you look at my avatar and gnature)
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Saturday 5/23/2009 at 02:41 AM | 46300