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*merged*H20 Neck Extension?

Alright I have heard there is somewhat of a controversy surrounding whether or not the mask in Halloween H20 had a neck extenon or not, do we have any definitive proof either way?

Here is an example with the neck extenon...

http://www.michael-myers.net/myersgallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11372&g2_serialNumber=2
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Thursday 2/21/2008 at 04:44 AM | 2917
I don't know man. I've never known exactly. But if the "Screenused" pictures that are in the M-M.net gallery are for real, there seems to have been both.


href="http://www.michael-myers.net/myersgallery/main.php?g2_itemId=9868&g2_page=1">http://www.michael-myers.net/myersgalle ... &g2_page=1

Don't know though... good question. Hope you get some better answers.

;)
Myers31TKD Thursday 2/21/2008 at 05:02 AM | 2918
Hey Patrick, I had not seen that before thanks for posting that link. I guess then my question is what is all the controversy over this then? If you don't know the story it is too long for me to type it here, LOL!

Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Thursday 2/21/2008 at 05:04 AM | 2919
There is neck Extenons in the H20 mask. Watch h20 and look at the neck in this scene.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/AchillesDW/Stab.
RickyTheShape Thursday 2/21/2008 at 09:27 AM | 2922
Hey Ricky I have seen that clip over and over again but never looked examined it for the extenon, good compelling evidence. What are the thoughts on why they used an extenon in the first place? We bacally only had a neck extenon used in H5 and on that mask the neck flared out and was vible. Why keep in on the H20 mask where it would no be vible?
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Thursday 2/21/2008 at 09:35 AM | 2924
Hey Ricky I have seen that clip over and over again but never looked examined it for the extenon, good compelling evidence. What are the thoughts on why they used an extenon in the first place? We bacally only had a neck extenon used in H5 and on that mask the neck flared out and was vible. Why keep in on the H20 mask where it would no be vible?

Honest. I really don't know why they used Neck Extenons.

There was a thread on Michael-Myers.net that was about Darren's Screen used H20. It had neck extenons I believe. I will try and find the thread and hope to send it to you.

- Ricky

RickyTheShape Thursday 2/21/2008 at 05:05 PM | 2930
if i feel like not being lazy i can do some screen caps

here are some unaltered screen caps i took off the movie to show the variety of masks they used













Johnny Bisco Thursday 2/21/2008 at 11:56 PM | 2935
Chris Durand himself has said the masks he wore did not have the extenon but the 'screenused' copy used to make the SG H20 does have it. I own the SG Proto Justin posted so I can provide any additional pics if anyone wants them.

My own guess, and this is nothing more than an uneducated guess, is that the ones worn in the film didn't have them though some unused masks made for the film may well have. I think Chris Durand has to be listened to as the man who put on and took off the masks dozens of times a day would know if it had an extenon or not. However there are obviously movie masks out there (well one at least) with the extenon. Perhaps there were a number of extra masks produced that may not have been trimmed which left the extenon or the extenon could have been intentionally left on some masks as an alternative in case the mask looked wrong without it in the dailies. Again...just a guess.

Lee
lblambert Friday 2/22/2008 at 12:10 AM | 2937
The controversy was based on some of the members at mm.net....Sean Clark knows Chris...Chris says there was no extenon....Darren was the owner of one of the screen used masks....Sean brought up that there was no extenon at the time that

Darren was trying to trade for a 75 Kirk....The trade went through, but I believe that the fella that was receiving the Screen Used though it wasnt Authentic and wanted his 75 Kirk back...It all was straightened out and both parties resolved the issue....Many have posted screen caps on this and many will still argue weather or not there was a neck extenon or not....
Matthew Mayhem Friday 2/22/2008 at 12:13 AM | 2938
This mask was the computer generated one . . . never understood why they did it and not use a real mask?

My guess is they didn't like the shot (or the mask) and instead of re-shooting the shot they just added a CGI Mask over top of it.

DaShape Friday 2/22/2008 at 12:46 AM | 2941
This mask was the computer generated one . . . never understood why they did it and not use a real mask?

My guess is they didn't like the shot (or the mask) and instead of re-shooting the shot they just added a CGI Mask over top of it.

ding ding ding we have a winner!!there were many scenes re shot and for whatever reason they didnt reshoot it

i have a veron of this movie without the cgi in it
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 12:58 AM | 2944
This mask was the computer generated one . . . never understood why they did it and not use a real mask?

My guess is they didn't like the shot (or the mask) and instead of re-shooting the shot they just added a CGI Mask over top of it.

ding ding ding we have a winner!!there were many scenes re shot and for whatever reason they didnt reshoot it

i have a veron of this movie without the cgi in it

Can you get a screen cap up here showing that sometime?

I'd love to see someone try and make that CGI mask LOL.
DaShape Friday 2/22/2008 at 01:10 AM | 2949
This mask was the computer generated one . . . never understood why they did it and not use a real mask?

My guess is they didn't like the shot (or the mask) and instead of re-shooting the shot they just added a CGI Mask over top of it.

ding ding ding we have a winner!!there were many scenes re shot and for whatever reason they didnt reshoot it

i have a veron of this movie without the cgi in it

Can you get a screen cap up here showing that sometime?

I'd love to see someone try and make that CGI mask LOL.

give me a few and ill post that same exact scene without CGI
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 01:13 AM | 2950
ok heres the screen cap no CGI same scene

Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 01:29 AM | 2951
and another

Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 01:32 AM | 2952
sorry those arent the best caps but thats the best i got but you can see it was the first mask they used before going to the h6 mask and then whatever one they finally settled on
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 01:34 AM | 2953
Wow, they really were that lazy and didn't re-shoot.

They reshot so much of the movie, I wonder why they couldn't reshoot a 3 second shot?
DaShape Friday 2/22/2008 at 02:04 AM | 2955
Wow, they really were that lazy and didn't re-shoot.

They reshot so much of the movie, I wonder why they couldn't reshoot a 3 second shot? im thinking that kid wasnt available
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 02:19 AM | 2956
My guess is that they were too pressed for time and did what they could with the time they had. Thanks for the screen cap Bisco.
Myers31TKD Friday 2/22/2008 at 03:07 AM | 2960
My guess is that they were too pressed for time and did what they could with the time they had. Thanks for the screen cap Bisco. if you want anymore screen caps let me know and ill try to get what you want
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 03:44 AM | 2965
Hey Bisco, nice screen shot of the CGI scene. If you bring the lighting up a bit you actually can tell there was a neck extenon..... Alright enough of the highjinks.......sorry to weigh in so late on this. I have been stuck at the office all day. (ice storm here where I live) My understanding on the CGI scenes were that Jamie Lee thought it needed to look more like the H1 or H2 mask and that is why they edited it that way, to give it more of the clasc look, which they couldn't even do with a computer. I have no idea if that is true or not. Did the CGI scenes make the final cut by the way?

So the feeling is that the actual screen used mask did not have the extenon, is that a fair assessment?
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Friday 2/22/2008 at 03:57 AM | 2966
Hey Bisco, nice screen shot of the CGI scene. If you bring the lighting up a bit you actually can tell there was a neck extenon.....



Alright enough of the highjinks.......Sorry to weigh in so late on this, I have been stuck at the office all day (ice storm here where I live) my thoughts on the CGI scenes were that Jamie Lee thought it needed to look more like the H1 or H2 mask and that is why they edited it that way. I have no idea if that is true or not. So the feeling is that the actual screen used mask did not have the extenon, is that a fair assessment? the CGI scene was a cover up when they couldnt refilm the scene for whatever reason

they went through a few masks until the producers got the look they wanted

look at the pics i posted and youll see what i mean
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 04:29 AM | 2968
Hey Bisco, nice screen shot of the CGI scene. If you bring the lighting up a bit you actually can tell there was a neck extenon..... Alright enough of the highjinks.......sorry to weigh in so late on this. I have been stuck at the office all day. (ice storm here where I live) My understanding on the CGI scenes were that Jamie Lee thought it needed to look more like the H1 or H2 mask and that is why they edited it that way, to give it more of the clasc look, which they couldn't even do with a computer. I have no idea if that is true or not. Did the CGI scenes make the final cut by the way?

So the feeling is that the actual screen used mask did not have the extenon, is that a fair assessment?

oh sure edit my post while im reponding lol
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 04:30 AM | 2969
Hey Bisco, nice screen shot of the CGI scene. If you bring the lighting up a bit you actually can tell there was a neck extenon..... Alright enough of the highjinks.......sorry to weigh in so late on this. I have been stuck at the office all day. (ice storm here where I live) My understanding on the CGI scenes were that Jamie Lee thought it needed to look more like the H1 or H2 mask and that is why they edited it that way, to give it more of the clasc look, which they couldn't even do with a computer. I have no idea if that is true or not. Did the CGI scenes make the final cut by the way?

So the feeling is that the actual screen used mask did not have the extenon, is that a fair assessment?

oh sure edit my post while im reponding lol

LOL! Actually I was editing mine....
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Friday 2/22/2008 at 04:39 AM | 2970
Hey Bisco, nice screen shot of the CGI scene. If you bring the lighting up a bit you actually can tell there was a neck extenon..... Alright enough of the highjinks.......sorry to weigh in so late on this. I have been stuck at the office all day. (ice storm here where I live) My understanding on the CGI scenes were that Jamie Lee thought it needed to look more like the H1 or H2 mask and that is why they edited it that way, to give it more of the clasc look, which they couldn't even do with a computer. I have no idea if that is true or not. Did the CGI scenes make the final cut by the way?

So the feeling is that the actual screen used mask did not have the extenon, is that a fair assessment?

oh sure edit my post while im reponding lol

LOL! Actually I was editing mine.... im loaded cut me some slack lmao
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 04:43 AM | 2972
You know we got to have our daily dose of Bisco County Jr.



Alright what were we trying to find out, oh ya back to the topic at hand......
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Friday 2/22/2008 at 04:46 AM | 2974
this proves without a doubt that at least SOME of the masks had a neck extenon (in my mind anyways feel free to interpret these anyway you want) these are unaltered screen caps from the widely available dvdcrinkled neck.................a clue? looks like theres something there dont it? a clue?????????????? definately looks like somethings there.........another clue? if this doesnt tell the story i dont know what does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 05:20 AM | 2975
Good work bud. I'd say you cracked the case.
Myers31TKD Friday 2/22/2008 at 05:50 AM | 2978
do you have any idea how long it took me to go through the whole movie frame by frame? and im drunk!!!! lol
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 05:54 AM | 2979
do you have any idea how long it took me to go through the whole movie frame by frame? and im drunk!!!! lol

LOL!! Well my hat's off to you r. I'd tell you to have a beer to celebrate but it looks like you're already a few steps ahead of me.
Myers31TKD Friday 2/22/2008 at 05:58 AM | 2980
Alright, when do we celebrate BISCO COUNTY JR. day????

Awesome work bud!
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Friday 2/22/2008 at 09:56 PM | 3008
Alright, when do we celebrate BISCO COUNTY JR. day????

Awesome work bud

you can start tonight!

whats my reward? j/k
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 10:41 PM | 3013
Alright well for starters you get your on logo for the night







;)
Horror Domain - Cursed Evil Overlord Friday 2/22/2008 at 10:52 PM | 3016
Alright well for starters you get your on logo for the night







;) cool!
Johnny Bisco Friday 2/22/2008 at 11:07 PM | 3018
if i feel like not being lazy i can do some screen caps

here are some unaltered screen caps i took off the movie to show the variety of masks they used















The mask at the beggining of h20 was the Screen used mask from Halloween 6. The other one when he kills charlie is a Computer Generated one Because they Didn't want to Keep reshooting. You can also See a mask from SSN called the H20 V.1 that Resembles the other mask used in h20. There for the original you see in most of the movie. Look at the Seven from h30. H20 v.2. And the H20 from SG...... As for the neck extenons I do not know. There use to be a thread about it over at mm.net but I lost it. I will try finding it.
RickyTheShape Saturday 2/23/2008 at 03:28 PM | 3051
hey ricky look at the post called biscos homework asgnment if you want to see neck extenons
Johnny Bisco Saturday 2/23/2008 at 03:41 PM | 3054
damn i do all that work and i only get comments from a few people sheesh.............
Johnny Bisco Sunday 2/24/2008 at 12:59 AM | 3075
damn i do all that work and i only get comments from a few people sheesh.............

Yeah but at least you know you're loved by a small few.
Myers31TKD Sunday 2/24/2008 at 01:17 AM | 3079
i thought this was a big controversy

sherlock holmes im not lol
Johnny Bisco Sunday 2/24/2008 at 01:25 AM | 3081
damn i do all that work and i only get comments from a few people sheesh.............

Sorry bud, I was installing a new crapper and dishwasher all day yesterday and missed out on your investigation.

Looks like when they were actually ung the H20 Mask (the one from the reshoots) you proved it had a neck extenon.
DaShape Sunday 2/24/2008 at 11:00 AM | 3097
damn i do all that work and i only get comments from a few people sheesh.............

Sorry bud, I was installing a new crapper and dishwasher all day yesterday and missed out on your investigation.

Looks like when they were actually ung the H20 Mask (the one from the reshoots) you proved it had a neck extenon. thats all good bro

im putting in a new crapper today as well lol

ive been working on finishing my basement and the half bath is starting to piss me off (did i just make a joke there?)

anyways i think there is an extenon because it sure looks like it to me and Chris Durand may say there wasnt but you all have to remember one thing........ most actors dont really know much about the movies they were in
Johnny Bisco Sunday 2/24/2008 at 01:37 PM | 3099