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ULTIMATE ROB ZOMBIE HALLOWEEN 2 REVIEW THREAD!

We are seeing this later today at midnight! We would love to hear everyone's reviews and this is the spot to post them!

ditto, ill be seeing it in 24 hours as well, got my tickets from fandango.com for the midnight showing tomorrow

Here is a review that Nick Meece sent us earlier tonight...


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Thats the most potive review of it so far. I can't wait to see what you guys all say about it. Unless someone is nice enough to do the illegal thing and upload it to the net which I am sure will happen I'll be checking it out through your reviews.

I can't in good conscious write my review right now. I want to have a full nights rest and really let you guys know my thoughts. I will say this. I am going to bed extremely disappointed and I'm surprised at myself for saying that. I was genuinely excited to see this film.

i agree booman, i need a full rest also, but will probably forget in the morning, so here i go now....

i gave the film a barely 7 out of 10, the whole white horse thing, i dunno, wasn't needed @ times.

the death scenes in this were top notch 10 out of 10, the dude @ the dumbster was my favorite, fucking stomped the fuck in!

i really really reallllly hope rob takes off where this one ended @ in the end... god please no!

thats my review... just a few people around me notes, i swear if this one guy kept saying, "he's still walking" when he was in the fields trying to get to haddonfield, i was gunna slap a bitch.. and also when "angel" was in the road and that guy picked her up near the end, and the guy was about to get into his car, and michael came out, that scene scared the shit out of the guy next to me, it was priceless!

tada for now fellas/ladies

Well I am gonna have to agree with you.

I am a very huge Rob Zombie fan.

I loved his prior films and I was very excited about this one.

It was good and bad all at the same time.

It was like oh that was awesome, then next scene would be like WHAT THE FUCK.

He also focused too much on the mental condition, I won't go any further on that.

The brutality was clasc Rob Zombie which helped, but not a whole lot.

I really want to watch it again just to see if I feel the same way I do now, if I do then I will honestly say I didn't like it, but I hate to do that so we will just have to see.

Well I'm let down! Guys I really don't go to these movies for a plot or the acting. I go because I love these clasc horror characters. And I guess thats my biggest gripe, to me the only thing that came close to Michael Myers was in the first 15 minutes.

I was hoping I'd like the way hobo Myers worked out but I didnt. I was hoping Rob would tie in the whole bringing his wife back but he didnt. The new little Myers bothered me. Loomis did nothing for the movie what so ever. Michaels kills were brutal but really about 90% were stabbings, over and over and over, and just when you though he was done, ONE MORE STAB!

I could go on and on. I knew they bacly threw this movie together at the last second but come on. And what the fuck happened at the end! Did the whole audiance laugh when "Angel" came walking out of the shack with the mask on like mine did????????

Well, I saw Halloween 2 with Booman and I'm happy to report I REALLY enjoyed this film . . . in fact, I think I was the only one in the theater who didn't walk away disappointed (by all the comments afterward).

Again, I really like the Halloween franchise as a whole but I'm not married to it and was pretty opening minding to anything new. However, I understand how many fans will absolutely loath this movie because it lacks the over all Halloween vibe and familiar themes. Honestly, I was hoping to see something completely different as I'm tired of seeing the same old thing over and over.

Oh boy was it something different.

The Good: This Halloween just had a darker, more grittier feel to it.

I loved how it kick off with Laurie's surgery.

Somehow It felt so real to me.

In most Horror films when somebody goes through a horrific event they just bounce back 2 seconds later.

Well, Halloween 2 was MUCH more realistic and I'm a sucker for movies that break the mold and not deliver the expected stereotypes. I don't know how to put it into words but I really felt like I was on that twisted journey with Laurie, Annie and Bracket.

I was watching what would really happen to people if they had gone through those hellish experiences.

Lets talk Michael and the vions.

I like this for the most part.

I felt like this film was allowing us to see inde Michael's head . . . he's always had these vions, even in part 1 but this time we're invited into the madness.

Plus, Laurie is sharing these same dreams . . . runs in the family.

I'm not saying Laurie would have normally turned out this way but the nightmarish hell she went through unlocked this demon inde her.

It was almost as if the evil that manifested itself as Deborah Myers in Michael's mind was ung him to unleash the evil buried in Laurie's psyche.

Booman said it best, you couldn't tell what was a dream/vion and what wasn't half the time and that's exactly why I like it so much.

The lines of reality and insanity were blurring for Laurie.

I think the extreme reality and detail presented in the characters allowed me to accept the vions as Rob's interpretation of what happens to somebody when they go through a slaughter house.

The kills are also much more realistic and brutal.

Watching Myers knifing someone to death with stab after stab is more scary to me personally because that's how it would happen in real life.

I felt a LOT more attention was paid to the stabbing from the sound effects to the actors' reactions.

It felt like I was actually watching people getting stabbed (unlike previous Halloween films where I could tell it was fake a mile away).

Also, we hear Michael grunt.

Again, I'm sure die hard fans are sharpening their pitch forks over that.

Completely didn't bother me and again made Michael seem more real.

Yeah, yeah I know . . . Michael is pure evil and he's not human . . . bla, bla that's Carpenter's vion.

I'm not debating which veron of Michael is better I'm just pointing out that for this veron of Michael Myers it fit the character.

Again with the character development, we had our usual de folks who we hardly knew anything about and could only count down till their untimely demise but I felt Laurie, Annie, Bracket and Loomis were great.

Zombie didn't give us the same characters from his remake, he expanded them and changed them . . . because if they didn't change what would be the point?

Loomis is now corrupt from his fame (which be honest, that would probably happen in real life). He'd be plastered all over the media and if he wrote a book all us horror nuts would be snatching it up (as I look at my copy of the encyclopedia to serial killers on my shelf

).

Annie seemed to be dealing with things in a much different way.

While Laurie was lashing out, turning to parties and booze, Annie was a recluse playing mother to her dad.

When Annie died and Laurie comes home to find her I honestly got the cold chills.

This was her last friend from the old days and to walk in on her dying was powerful (for me).

Not forgetting Bracket, I thought Brad took this character to the next level.

His role didn't const of much but what was there Brad stretched it into one of the most sympathetic characters of the whole narrative.

SPOILERS And the ending.

I liked it.

Laurie was pretty much taking Michael's place.

Michael was merely a tool for this ultimate Evil.

Deborah keeps coaching Michael, "It's almost time".

Again as I mention earlier, the Evil was instructing Michael to kill everyone Laurie had left . . . severing the connection she had to reality or to "normal" life.

Finally, when Michael kills Loomis he finishes off the last person who could posbly offer Laurie any help.

Once this happens Laurie takes Michael's place and emerges with the Mask (that throughout the first film and this one represents the evil in the phycal world).

The Bad: The famous White Horse.

I see what Zombie was trying to do with it but it just didn't work and was really out of place.

I know that it was suppose to connect him to his mother but honestly that could have been done without it.

His mom could have just shown up and I would have gotten that he's seeing things.

Therefore, I think the film's intro could have been different.

Instead of starting off with the smith's grove scene they could have started right off with the gun shot and Laurie walking down the street.

Also, the Horse ruined the last shots of the film for me.

I just found it distracting as Deborah walked up to Laurie with the horse.

I think it was too much.

At the end of the film when Loomis see's the mayhem on TV he rushes down to the scene.

Honestly, he couldn't have gotten there that fast.

That bugged me a bit (even though stuff like this happens in movies all the time and the general audience accepts it . . .well I don't accept stuff like this

)

Booman also nailed it when he said, "I felt like I saw the first 20 minutes of this movie on TV and the net".

He's so right.

I understand when the studios are just trying to generate a huge buzz but sometimes that can back fire.

First, (and what I think happened in this case) is the audience isn't surprised by hardly anything nce they've already seen it a 1000 times.

Also, by releang so much stuff you build a huge hype for a movie and almost no movie can ever live up to that kind of hype.

The studio screwed zombie as far as I'm concerning because he's said in countless interviews that he had no control over that aspect.

Overall: I really like this psychedelic mind trip zombie gave us.

It wasn't really a traditional Halloween film and I'm glad it wasn't.

I know MOST everybody is going to hate this film by the reactions I witnessed however I was very satisfied and I wish everybody could have seen the film I saw (I'm de stepping the replies that say what film were you watching?

).

I'm sure if you didn't like this film and you've read my review you thinking, "I don't care about how real it was I just wanted a Halloween movie".

Well, all I have to say is you still have the original and nce Zombie didn't pull a Lucas and screw with the precious you can always watch that and be happy.

A remake does not in ANY way change an original.

The only way to change the original is to Star Wars it up.

Still, this wasn't the perfect film and I offer my changes that (in my opinion that doesn't mean anything really) would make it a GREAT film.

Ditch the white horse bit and remove any dialogue that referred that Michael Myers was alive or back.

Examples are, "Sheriff, a witness said they saw a large man carrying someone away from a car crash". Also, when Loomis entered the barn/shack he shouldn't have even addressed that Michael was there.

In doing so you create a story where Michael never actually came back.

Laurie was the killer the entire time and was just slowly going crazy.

Michael died or his body disappeared a year ago and was never heard of again.

I think this would have been a MUCH more shocking and powerful film and it would actually only take a bit of editing to make this happen.

Clong thoughts . . . I know die hard fans will hate this movie and rightfully so.

Fans take a vested ownership of movies, especially films that link back to their childhood or past.

We feel like it's ours and we are just hoping that the same magic we once saw all those years ago happens again.

Look at it this way, the new Star Wars films, Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull . . . we are living in an age where the studios are bringing back clascs because they know the emotional connection our generation has with these films (yes, it's always about the money).However, no matter how good these movies could be they will NEVER EVER EVER live up to our hype or expectations.

That's why I can enjoy Zombie's veron of Halloween because I'm not invested in the original like so many others are.

Sure I saw the original when I was younger but I was a Star Wars kid . . . and that I could write volumes on so for all you Fans who are really angry right now . . . you've still got the original which in the end, is all you'll ever need!

P.S.

Did anybody else catch the SHOT Zombie takes at the online Horror/Fan boy community with the Chett: Bringer of Death character?

Remember the guy who wants Loomis to gn his book and he's all nervous.

Chett has Loomis gn his book to his online name, "Bringer of Death".

I wonder if this is to all of us in general (in saying get a life guys) or if he has somebody or some te specifically in mind?

BIG TIME SPOILER ALERT!

Where do I start? First off I want to say that I’m a Rob Zombie fan. I liked House of 1,000 Corpses, Devil’s Rejects is one of my favorite horror films and I thought the Halloween re-imagining was really good. I realize acknowledging that amongst die hard Halloween fans makes stomachs turn. It’s as if you’re telling them you like to watch little boys shower. They recoil at the sheer thought of someone enjoying

a movie that borrowed their characters and name and updated it with a different perspective. I get that. I understand that to a degree but I also appreciate the fact that Zombie didn’t try to go back and remake the original. He tried something different and if a film was going to be made it should have been different and it was. After all if you like the original it’s always there on your shelf to watch. Just because they remade it and changed the story doesn’t take away from the original in my opinion. It is what it is and I thought it was a fun movie. I felt sorry for Michael and felt attached to the story and thought Rob did a great job while adding his own flare. Some people don’t like that I personally did.

Now we fast forward to H2. Man the hype machine was there. Rob was going to finally be able to take the film into a direction that was all his own. Something that we hadn’t seen before and that excited me as a fan. I was ready as ever to see this film. I had read the earlier screenings, I had seen all the trailers, I had read the interviews, the banner ads are still flashing here on HorrorBid. I WANTED TO SEE THIS FILM, more importantly I knew I was going to love it. What’s not to love? Zombie has all the freedom in the world to make his own film here. To update the Halloween series and bring it into the 21st century. Did I say I was ready to see this film? We catch the midnight showing on Thursday at our local cinema. The theater is about half filled, I was a little surprised by that but it is Thursday night and this is a rated R film. It’s a school night. I didn’t think much more about that except for the fact that we got there an hour and a half early to get good seats. Guess that wasn’t really necessary

but hey, H2 was about ready to start and dammit I wasn’t going to let a half packed theater bother me. The film starts and whamo the white horse jumps at you practically though the screen. If you’re not familiar with the white horse than you probably aren’t a giant fan of this film so I won’t go into it. If you are a fan you know what I’m talking about. We all knew it was going to be there and it was. No biggie right? So we see a brief and I mean brief introduction of the new young Myers. Daeg (the original young Myers) was apparently to “heavy” to play this role now so they got a kid. My only beef with this was he looked a bit old to play this part, about what Daeg’s age is now.

So I guess Daeg took himself out of this film in a way and that bothered me. I didn’t expect to see young Michael so much but he is plastered throughout the whole film. Again something that wasn’t that big of a deal but at the same time something that bothered me a bit as I watched the film. Then in a ho hum introduction we see the logo for Halloween 2 pop up. Wow is that it? IS this the opening of this movie?

We get zero tenon muc in this film from start to finish and the opening could have really, REALLY used some. And you never hear the actual Halloween theme, in fact the only original muc is saved for the last scene and put a smile on all our faces. Couldn't we have at least heard the Halloween theme somewhere? I mean I get this is supposed to be new but dammit it is called Halloween and bedes the white mask the muc is what bacally made the movies. Again the whole movie is done with barely any background muc, something that I didn't think I really would miss until it wasn't there. I missed it a LOT!!!!

We are treated to a lengthy and I mean lengthy dream sequence. It would have been great if (A.) It was Nightmare on Elm Street or

(B.) if we hadn’t seen all this in the dozens of trailers released. The first 20 to 25 minutes of the film was nothing I hadn’t seen before. And it was so choppy I couldn’t tell if what happened earlier (did Michael kill the paramedic?) was part of the dream. They kept saying throughout the film that they never found the body of Michael Myers but they didn’t say if he butchered one of the paramedics. I was just a bit confused. We are treated to more of Deboarh Myers, young Mike and that beautiful white steed.

Again I lived with it and we moved on to the next chapter so to speak of the film.

Act two consted of Laurie bacally continuing to go insane. She’s having nightmare, daymares and morningmares. The girl is f’d up. She doesn’t even know Mike’s her brother yet and they girl is a freaking mess. Wait till she finds that out. Sorry I’m getting ahead of myself. So we see Laurie, she’s now living with Annie and Sherrif Brackett at what looks like the house from Devil’s Rejects. Dr. Loomis (Malcolm McDowel) is a complete asshole now. He has did nothing to reach out to the victims. He is more concerned with pushing his new book “The Devil Walks Among Us” than giving two shits about whether Laurie or Annie are ok. I understand that to a degree, he is famous now, but come on. In the first film Loomis has a heart. He is all about trying to help people. He goes through the whole film and damn near get’s killed at the end. I’m not sure why he’s all the sudden a complete douche bag but he is. I knew from early screenings that they were doing this to the Loomis character but I thought they might at the very least show him having some compason for Laurie who was Michael’s ster (a kid he tried to help) but he doesn’t. They make you hate Loomis and you do.This whole time Michael is wandering through the woods. He’s killing people and eating dogs. Hey he’s living off the land. You got to do what you do right? I really enjoyed one scene where these rednecks drive up with high beams pointed right at Michael out in this field. There drunk of course and pissed that Mike’s been squatting on their land. They call him a big dumb “fucktard” which got a laugh in an otherwise quite theater. They tease him a bit more than out comes the bats and tire irons. They beat him until he is down on the ground but it wouldn’t be Halloween if he didn’t stand back up. Kill said rednecks and then eat their dog, wait what? Yeah he ate Sparky. The guy’s hungry dammit. He’s like 7 foot tall and he doesn’t exactly get served at Denny’s so he eats what he has too. That was a cool scene. Maybe the only scene I truly enjoyed.

Act three kicks up and Laurie finds out by reading Loomis’s book that she indeed is Mike’s ster Angel Myers. This freaks here the f out. She’s already insane, therapy isn’t helping and she’s hit with this brick. She throws a fit, runs out on Annie not telling her really why although Annie finds out later after father Brackett lets here in on the little secret they’ve been keeping from her. She goes over to hang out with these two female friends of her. Neither one I thought did a particularly great job of portraying they were indeed her friends. I just never felt the connection. She tells them the story, there like your shitting me, she’s like no serious, let’s go to a Halloween party. Lol! Ok that’s not exactly how it goes but it’s close. They end up at this Halloween bash and one guest that wasn’t on the list shows up. You guessed it. Mikey has come home. Haddonfield should not, I repeat NOT, throw Halloween parties. Friends start dying. Mike start’s a whooping some ass and they run off back to Brackett’s house where they find Annie, you guessed it. Gasping for air. Mike beat them to the house. Dammit this guys fast for a 7 foot tall hobo. The other friend that hasn’t died is directed to go call 911, no more than gets off the phone before Mike’s knifing the life out of her. The death scenes are brutal in the film but it's the same death scene over and over. Stabbing, stabbing, stabbing. After you see it one time it looses the effect the next 7. I will say that the boot to the skull scene was also cool but left me wanting more of that. I never felt connected to any of these characters so I didn’t care that they were dying. It didn’t bother me in the least. Am I heartless or was this not done right?

The final act! Laurie runs from the house. Mike chases her. She flags down some poor sucker jamming to the Rolling Stones. He tries to help but none of these characters ever actually let you speak. They just keep saying we have to get you to a hospital, we have to do this, we have to do that. LET ME FREAKING TALK

JACKASS! If you do I can warn you about the 7 foot “fucktard” standing behind you with a hunting knife. Reality I think not. In real life

I’m slapping the guy and saying listen bro, my brother is coming here and you’re ass is 8 feet under if we don’t do something right now. Anyway back on topic. He puts Laurie er I mean Angel in the car and then dies. You knew it was coming. Then Michael flips the car with her in it. She blacks out, he carries her to this shed out in the woods. Has he been living in this thing or what? We really don’t know. The cops are on the way, they surround the building. Bracett’s pretty pissed because Mike butchered his daughter Annie. The whole time you see Debra Myers and young Myers standing there coaching Michael on. Apparently Laurie see’s them too and is actually being restrained by young Michael. She’s nuts, we get it. Loomis see’s all this happening on tv and finally decides to come and try to help. I didn’t feel like it was because he cared though. It was because he was being humiliated on tv and osterzed because of the book he wrote profiting off of the death of hordes of people. In a flash of an eye Loomis appears at this shack in the middle of no where. I’m not sure how in the hell were supposed to know how he got there so fast. One minute he’s standing in a high rise drinking Champaign and literally the next second he’s right there with the firing squad. Doesn’t make any sense. He barges into the shack. Doesn’t help the tuation out at all. Just pisses Mike off more. Mike kills him and I mean kills him, stabs him like he stole money or something.

As he is doing that one of the snipers gets a clean shot at his shoulder and takes it so Mike’s down for the count. Laurie runs over and starts petting him saying how she loves her brother. With what little strength he has left he lifts the knife up. Is he going to stab her? Damn I thought we might see a little compason but no he drops the knife because he’s hurting. She picks it up and just starts going ape shit on his chest. DIE, DIE, DIE! He’s dead. Michael Myers is dead. No doubt about it. She then comes walking out of the shed with his mask on (which looks so bizarre because the mask looks to be 40 zes bigger than her head) I mean this thing is almost down to her knees. She falls on the ground staring at her hands. Has she become her brother?

We then see a completely white room. Laure is in all white. It looks to be a mental institution. She’s gone mad because guess who comes hopping down the hall way. Her mother and that damn white horse. She lets off a grin and the movie is over.

People in the theater look pissed! I’m dumbfounded because I was hoping for some swerve at the ending. Something to tie up some of the loose ends. I get nothing. All in all I get what Joel is saying. He writes fantastic freaking reviews by the way but I just can’t get behind this movie. I never once felt for any of the characters. The only person that would have really bothered me to die was Brackett and he doesn’t. In the end this could ealy be deemed an

entire dream and we could see H3 starting off where this one should have. Do I think that will happen? No. But it wouldn’t surprise me.

I won’t let this movie sour my taste for Rob Zombie movies but I do understand a bit better now why some people are so against them. He bacally keeps the same vibe to all his films which was cool when it worked, I’m just not sure it worked here. It’s as if it was a joke to see how many times they could use the word “fuck” in the film which doesn’t bother me but it seriously seemed like Rob made a bet with someone saying I bet I can squeeze the word fuck in this scene. There is even a poster behind Laurie at one point in the movie that has the word fuck hidden in a poster. That really makes me think it was on purpose. It definitely had a dirty, gritty feel to it but again I think it was a stretch. The Devil’s Rejects worked so well with this gritty feel. Halloween really doesn’t. It’s middle class America, not deep south Texas.

Maybe my reaction will be different in a few days. I again really wanted to like this. More importantly I wanted it to be good enough to say to the haters (Dren the Liar), hey this is a good film. You’re not giving it a chance. But that’s not the case. If you don’t like Zombie’s Halloween you will HATE this film. Casual horror movies fans won’t appreciate this either I’m afraid. Our beloved franchise appears to be finished. We will always have the memories of what led to this point and this movie shouldn’t sour anyone on the franchise. They took it in a different direction. It might work for some and it might not for others but at least the next generation of horror fans will now be able to go back and watch the clascs and compare the two. It’s never a bad thing to get new fans involved and hopefully all this hype has made a younger generation excited to see what Michael Myers is truly all about.

And Joel is right. Zombie definitely takes a bab at the online Horror/Fan boy community with the whole Chett: Bringer of Death character? You can tell this was a jab at the uber Halloween nerd fan. He is wearing a "WWMD (What would Michel do?) t shirt and he is acting like a complete goober when he asks for his autograph from Loomis. I guess this is the way we all act in real life.

Okay. The white horse thing, didnt fit for me..but it was a way to put you know who in.. and that little kid doesnt compare to daeg.. :/ and he turned mcdowell into a cocksucker & that part im not sure if i like it or not yet,lol.. but overall I loved it.. Brad dourif was my shining star of the movie. with the stuff that i dont like and the stuff i do like, at least we can say robs trying new shit out and trying to give us something different && one hell of a movie.. so out of 10 its a 9 baby.

judging by the reviews im not sure whether im going to like this or not. you guys have me torn.

judging by the reviews im not sure whether im going to like this or not. you guys have me torn.There's a 90% chance you are going to hate it.

I'm one of the lucky few who really enjoyed it but I was the only one in my entire theater LOL.

judging by the reviews im not sure whether im going to like this or not. you guys have me torn.There's a 90% chance you are going to hate it.

I'm one of the lucky few who really enjoyed it but I was the only one in my entire theater LOL.

Joel don't sell yourself short. After reading you review I thought I liked the film, you and your damn perfect reviews!

we are going to the 7:10 showing. after reading the reviews its up in the air i guess. illl post mine later.

The final act! Laurie runs from the house. Mike chases her. She flags down some poor sucker jamming to the Rolling Stones. He tries to help but none of these characters ever actually let you speak. They just keep saying we have to get you to a hospital, we have to do this, we have to do that. LET ME FREAKING TALK JACKASS! If you do I can warn you about the 7 foot “fucktard” standing behind you with a hunting knife. Reality I think not. In real life I’m slapping the guy and saying listen bro, my brother is coming here and you’re ass is 8 feet under if we don’t do something right now. Anyway back on topic. He puts Laurie er I mean Angel in the car and then dies. You knew it was coming.

great reviews so far guys. boo man you had me rolling when i read the parapgraph above.

This isn't even a Halloween movie. It is so bad that it makes Resurrection look good. Michael looks like Frankenstein, the story is horrible, that is unless you like watching Sherry Moon walking around as the living dead girl holding a white house for Michael to ride on, and the acting is horrible.

AVOID AT ALL COSTS!!! F-

I can not believe how bad this was.

It is so bad that it makes Resurrection look good.

I wouldn't go that far. You're forgetting Busta Rymes Zephro

hate is a strong word but a fitting one here. awful.

I just saw Halloween 2 and I don't where to begin on my list of dislikes. So I'll take the easy road first and say what I liked. The deaths were actually pretty good good, they were brutal and kept my attention. The first 20 minutes in my opinion were the best out of the movie. Now for the dislikes, Sherri Moon Zombie had no place in this film, and every time I saw her on screen I wanted to leave the theater. Loomis was a prick and I think Rob made it a point that we knew it. Especially when Loomis was talking about his photo "That's the old Loomis, this is the new Loomis" Laurie having the same hallucinations as Myers without any explanation as to why she was having them made me hate it even more. I enjoyed everything that was new and disliked the remaking part of Rob Zombies Halloween. However it's the complete oppote with this one. The remaking part I enjoyed more than the last hour and a half the movie. To top it all off the ending was down right horrible. I give it a 6 out 10. I hope and pray that the Nightmare remake wont suck this bad.

One of the things i've noticed about Rob's films is...it usually takes me at least a second and occaonally a THIRD viewing for everything to nk in. With that in mind, i came away from my initial viewing thinking his latest venture was....interesting.

The first half of the film didnt really grab me. Like others have mentioned, mother Myers and son are used ad nauseum...in fact, i really think only the first and definitely the LAST time they appeared were the only times really nescessary. One of the things that really disappointed me was that the entire hospital scene turned out to be a dream. I thought the brutal murder of the nurse was one of the coolest violent deaths i've seen in any horror film in a LONG time. The death of the security guard was also quite effectual....but then it's all rendered moot by the fact that in was all in Laurie's head....the other kills, the three rednecks and the strip club employees came off as pretty generic...i mean, as soon as Michael appears you KNOW these guys are history. The trick IS, to present their demises in a new an interesting manner. Instead we get the obligatory stabbings, impalments, head beatings, etc.,(although the face-stomping was kinda cool)....nothing that hasn't been done to death already (if you'll pardon the pun)....that, and the fact that Carpenter's original muc, which has, in my opinion, become as iconic to the franchise as the main character's chalky white mask, was no where to be found until the very end seemed somewhat criminal to me....

Second half is when Rob finally kicks things into high gear. i really REALLY loved the scene where the distraught father confronts Loomis at the book gning. Thought that was extremely well done. Rob's use of clasc rock throughout the film fits like a warm mitten on a cold winter's night...(i guess that's a given, condering his twenty-odd years of expierience in the muc industry)..his cinematography continues to gain in excellence. It was personally GREAT for me to see the town of nearby Covington and Netherworld Haunted House here in Atlanta used so effectively, especially nce i have spent REAL Halloweens in both of those places! The lighting and shadowing techniques he uses are STELLAR and work wonderfully to create a very spooky mood and atmosphere....

Another highlight of the second half was Annie's death. Both Rob as a director, and Danielle as an actress knock this one right out of the freaking ball park, imo...i love how he slows the camera down, and we dont SEE what is happening...we HEAR it. Then of course, we get to see it in flashback, and Danielle really made me believe she was dying a slow, painful death. Hat's off to a VERY under-rated actress. ...

Pretty much ALL the main characters did a good job. Scout, Brad, Malcolm...all were in fine form, imo....

Although the film's ending seemed a bit lackluster (Loomis' death, perhaps the most pointless nce Dick Hallorann in The movie veron of The Shining?) and predictable (saw the ending coming a mile away)...the final scene intrigued me enough to not mind if the cast and crew come back for one more sequel...

i have to let this nk in a bit, and check it out again in the near future, but as of right now:

6 1/2 out of 10

Ok so like my review of H2 overall was that it was good but there were some parts in the movie that had me scratching my head?? The parts that bothered me was sheri moon zombie through the whole movie just showing up out of no where with a white horse talking to michael and eventually laurie. Also another part that bothered me was michael making a grunting noise whenever he was stabbing someone repeatedly. I told my girlfriend like WTF?? Michael Myers doesnt make any noise at all? That part kinda ruined it for me a bit. Then also another part that bothered me was the part where laurie thought she was being held by michael but she was halucinating i thought that was dumb! Also i didnt like the part where she came out with his mask on at the end that was dumb too in fact that whole ending was a head scratcher for me? But there WERE some good parts to the movie i will say this the death scenes for each victim by michael were fucking brutal and badass especially the one where he stomps thats dudes face in lol ck! I thought mainly the only great parts where the death scenes other then that decent parts. I think overall i was dissapointed but it was a pretty good movie not great but good i gave it a

8 out of 10 stars

I liked it for a fact it was gory..nothing really to do with the original but followed along with the previous remake of Rob Zombies..and was a very enjoyable watch

can someone explain to me why the whole weird al scene was left in the film? that was just horrible.

can someone explain to me why the whole weird al scene was left in the film? that was just horrible.nce the movie was horrible I figured Rob felt he'd go for broke

can someone explain to me why the whole weird al scene was left in the film? that was just horrible.Really?

That scene actually got more of a reaction from our crowd than any other.

Everybody was laughing pretty hard.

can someone explain to me why the whole weird al scene was left in the film? that was just horrible.Really?

That scene actually got more of a reaction from our crowd than any other.

Everybody was laughing pretty hard.

agreed. I didn't mind that scene too much. The canned audience laughter was the only distracting part for me.

Rotten Tomatoes is hitting H2 pretty hard but I can't say that surprises me.


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What does surprise me is the horror focused webtes. They are relentlessly beating H2 into the ground. This begs the question. How well is this movie going to do at the box office? Word a mouth can kill a movie quick....

yeah word of mouth can butcher a movies cred.

So all the reviews and such will probably be the down fall to the flick.

I guess I'm not an elitest..If it's good I'll dig, if it's gory, I'll dig..This one fit both too me.

Of course I'm more into clasc black and whites than slasher flicks though.

Whats up everyone!

Well...I haven't seen H2 yet and I probably wont until maybe Sunday. Im dying here! Anyway I want to thank everyone here...and its something we can all feel good about that starts with Justin and Joel and trickles all the way down through every member......

Everyone has been SO cool.....despite some of the varied and heated opinions on the film and what not...NOONE...NOONE has spouted any rude; hateful or disparaging comments about anyone else. The other te I frequent is getting a bit out of control and its shocking.

Anyway....it was refreshing to come here and read reviews WITH spoiler alerts and with posts that were of good spirits! cheers everyone! -NY GHOUL

Whats up everyone!

Well...I haven't seen H2 yet and I probably wont until maybe Sunday. Im dying here! Anyway I want to thank everyone here...and its something we can all feel good about that starts with Justin and Joel and trickles all the way down through every member......

Everyone has been SO cool.....despite some of the varied and heated opinions on the film and what not...NOONE...NOONE has spouted any rude; hateful or disparaging comments about anyone else. The other te I frequent is getting a bit out of control and its shocking.

Anyway....it was refreshing to come here and read reviews WITH spoiler alerts and with posts that were of good spirits! cheers everyone! -NY GHOUL

well said ghoul!

Ok.... I just got back from H2... And yeah... FUCK this film. It was almost H:Resurrection bad.

I did like how Rob shot it, and the lighting... a few scenes really worked for me, the opening was decent... But there was way too much bullshit in this movie for me to really love it.

I went in hoping I would like it, really WANTING to like it.

But that feeling slowly melted away throughout the film.

First off, they take Loomis... one of the most decent characters in the entire franchise and turn him into a flat out prick.

He doesn't care about anyone but himself, just felt like a big bird finger to horror fans.

Not to mention the creepy guy at the book gning.

I felt like the entire film was crafted to piss us off, like a revenge film for our badmouthing of the original remake.

The dream sequences were fine, I didn't hate them.. I thought the white horse was kinda weird and the kid replacing Daeg was a horrible actor that felt out of place to me.

But they didn't ruin a thing for me.

The main problem was the complete lack of tenon or suspense, I sat calmly throughout the entire film... not once did it get me tense or excited.

The only emotional response I had was when Annie died, and most of the impact of that scene was drained away by the way the trailers relied on footage from that scene.

You just knew it was going to happen, and that killed the climax to me.Spoilers ahead...

And seriously... Having Laurie share the freaking vions??

I mean, I understand she is long her shit... but if that were the case and it wasn't supernatural at all... her dreams and vions would be different than Michael's.

They would not be the same in any way.

So having them be the same with no explanation makes no damn sense whatsoever.

Killing Loomis, Killing Michael...

It just really went a bit too far into crazy town for me.

Good job Rob, just take away everything that mattered worth a damn in the franchise.

That's real original...

The only character with any real emotional depth was Brackett.

Brad did a great job with the character and he was written well, you really felt for the guy.

It was a lot more meaningful.

I enjoyed his character very much.And why does every character in his films have to be a complete douche or cko or rocker?

The Morgue van guys were horribly twisted, more so than most people I have met in real life.

And Jesus, did that guy have to say Fuck 29 times before the camera went off of him?

I thought it was never going to end.

Overall, I left this film very very disappointed... pissed in fact.

And I honestly love Rob's other films.

Rejects and Corpses are two of my favorite horror films.

And I bounce back and forth with the original remake, sometimes I like it...sometimes I hate it.

But this movie is crap.

It's a giant F you to Halloween fans, and isn't even a good solid horror film on it's own.

I could go on, posbly all night, talking about all of the various things I hated about this movie... But I will sum up with a mple list.

1: Loomis is a douche... 2: Too much of bearded hobo Michael 3: Why the Rabbit in Red?

It seemed so random and unexplained. 4: Michael somehow knows exactly where Brackett lives and where the party was. 5: The ending... What the FUCK?6: The damn white horse 7: Laurie sharing the vions 8: Stab kills X1000 9: Killing Michael 10: Killing Loomis 11: No THEME??

Are you kidding me?

Ok.... I just got back from H2... And yeah... FUCK this film. It was almost H:Resurrection bad.

I did like how Rob shot it, and the lighting... a few scenes really worked for me, the opening was decent... But there was way too much bullshit in this movie for me to really love it.

I went in hoping I would like it, really WANTING to like it.

But that feeling slowly melted away throughout the film.

First off, they take Loomis... one of the most decent characters in the entire franchise and turn him into a flat out prick.

He doesn't care about anyone but himself, just felt like a big bird finger to horror fans.

Not to mention the creepy guy at the book gning.

I felt like the entire film was crafted to piss us off, like a revenge film for our badmouthing of the original remake.

The dream sequences were fine, I didn't hate them.. I thought the white horse was kinda weird and the kid replacing Daeg was a horrible actor that felt out of place to me.

But they didn't ruin a thing for me.

The main problem was the complete lack of tenon or suspense, I sat calmly throughout the entire film... not once did it get me tense or excited.

The only emotional response I had was when Annie died, and most of the impact of that scene was drained away by the way the trailers relied on footage from that scene.

You just knew it was going to happen, and that killed the climax to me.Spoilers ahead...

And seriously... Having Laurie share the freaking vions??

I mean, I understand she is long her shit... but if that were the case and it wasn't supernatural at all... her dreams and vions would be different than Michael's.

They would not be the same in any way.

So having them be the same with no explanation makes no damn sense whatsoever.

Killing Loomis, Killing Michael...

It just really went a bit too far into crazy town for me.

Good job Rob, just take away everything that mattered worth a damn in the franchise.

That's real original...

The only character with any real emotional depth was Brackett.

Brad did a great job with the character and he was written well, you really felt for the guy.

It was a lot more meaningful.

I enjoyed his character very much.And why does every character in his films have to be a complete douche or cko or rocker?

The Morgue van guys were horribly twisted, more so than most people I have met in real life.

And Jesus, did that guy have to say Fuck 29 times before the camera went off of him?

I thought it was never going to end.

Overall, I left this film very very disappointed... pissed in fact.

And I honestly love Rob's other films.

Rejects and Corpses are two of my favorite horror films.

And I bounce back and forth with the original remake, sometimes I like it...sometimes I hate it.

But this movie is crap.

It's a giant F you to Halloween fans, and isn't even a good solid horror film on it's own.

I could go on, posbly all night, talking about all of the various things I hated about this movie... But I will sum up with a mple list.

1: Loomis is a douche... 2: Too much of bearded hobo Michael 3: Why the Rabbit in Red?

It seemed so random and unexplained. 4: Michael somehow knows exactly where Brackett lives and where the party was. 5: The ending... What the FUCK?6: The damn white horse 7: Laurie sharing the vions 8: Stab kills X1000 9: Killing Michael 10: Killing Loomis 3:

i was set to write this giant reivew when i looged on but dark artist you said it for me almost exactly. i just couldnt get into this movie at all. i was never on the edge of my set either rooting for or against anyone except the annie scene. and the lack of a good soundtrack seemed to draw the emotion out of the scenes. rob is usually good with muc in his movies but it was so quiet during this. im giving it a thunbs down.

Hey guys, if you get a chance throw your 2 cents up on the Horrorbid blog: Halloween 2 - What did you think?

You don't need to go into any long explanations or anything. http://www.horrorbid.com/blog/blog1.php/2009/08/28/halloween-2-what-did-you-think

Also, I too want to thank everybody for their great reviews and opinions.

(I know writing these things can take some time).

It's just nice to be able to read what everybody thought minus the slanderous attacks against others with different opinions!

You guys rock and make it all worth it!

i had such high hopes for this movie because it wasnt going to be a remake and would be the first original myers story nce 2002 and...................this movie was a total and utter complete piece of smelly dog shit

shaky camera crap, overdone flashbacks and dreams, crappy dialogue (i mean come on man how old are the dead girl still looks hot jokes???) amateur direction that reverts back to his house of 1000 corpses overdone muc video style, shitty acting, a stupid horse that Mr Ed would have hated, one of the most confung stories i have ever seen, rabbit in red made no sense, hell this whole movie made no sense.

and for the love of god what was up with the psychic connection crap did zombie collaborate with dominique othenin-girard????????????????? jesus i thought part 5 and resurrection were crappy movies but this takes the cake.

no build up to the climax, no suspense for that matter

mcdowell mailed in the performance

the kills were weak and repititive (and for the record myers DOES NOT STOMP HEADS!!!!!!!)

come on guys has anyone questioned as to why the movie wasnt pre screened for reviewers? because they KNEW the critics would tear this movie apart

the franchise has now been officially embarrassed for the last time and if it ever gets brought back from the dead it will probably be straight to video or cable because no distributor will take a chance on this again.

oh and ill say this now and this may be the only time youll hear me say this..................

THE REMAKE IS 200 TIMES BETTER THAN THIS ATROCITY

rob you screwed the pooch on this, this was the absolute last chance for you to make me a fan of your movies, the devils rejects was great the halloween remake was passable but this pile of puke????????????? you lost me man, i will never go to one of your movies again

i had such high hopes for this movie because it wasnt going to be a remake and would be the first original myers story nce 2002 and...................this movie was a total and utter complete piece of smelly dog shit

shaky camera crap, overdone flashbacks and dreams, crappy dialogue (i mean come on man how old are the dead girl still looks hot jokes???) amateur direction that reverts back to his house of 1000 corpses overdone muc video style, shitty acting, a stupid horse that Mr Ed would have hated, one of the most confung stories i have ever seen, rabbit in red made no sense, hell this whole movie made no sense.

and for the love of god what was up with the psychic connection crap did zombie collaborate with dominique othenin-girard????????????????? jesus i thought part 5 and resurrection were crappy movies but this takes the cake.

no build up to the climax, no suspense for that matter

mcdowell mailed in the performance

the kills were weak and repititive (and for the record myers DOES NOT STOMP HEADS!!!!!!!)

come on guys has anyone questioned as to why the movie wasnt pre screened for reviewers? because they KNEW the critics would tear this movie apart

the franchise has now been officially embarrassed for the last time and if it ever gets brought back from the dead it will probably be straight to video or cable because no distributor will take a chance on this again.

oh and ill say this now and this may be the only time youll hear me say this..................

THE REMAKE IS 200 TIMES BETTER THAN THIS ATROCITY

rob you screwed the pooch on this, this was the absolute last chance for you to make me a fan of your movies, the devils rejects was great the halloween remake was passable but this pile of puke????????????? you lost me man, i will never go to one of your movies again

HAHAHAH I've been tting around my computer all day waiting for your review Bisco!!!

About time!

LOL! I've been waiting for Crisco to chime in as well.

I have to say though I don't want to be around when Dren get's back from seeing it. That guys going to be on his high horse. (his white high horse I'm afraid) Here is a g banner I made up for you Bisco. Thought in conveyed the message that the films where so much a like!



http://i25.tinypic.com/fdvf3c.

i just noticed one of the new members that gned up for the forum is the "bringer of death"

OVERDONEWITHGONE

I refuse to write a huge review.

So much rage fills me right now, please excuse typing errors.

This movie disappointed me 100% Continuity issues, hollow plot, fuzzy story line, poor acting, over/under developed characters, bad lighting, and im just getting started.

Rather than typing much more i am just going to list of questions you can answer for me.

1) How did myers grow 6" of beard within the 10 mins between h1 ending and h2 beginning? 2) Laurie didnt get hurt in H1, why did they make her "injuries" look so severe? 3) Why was Laurie so mentally F'cked when Danielle (who went through more torture in H1) more soundly adjusted without mental trauma? 4) Why did RZ replace Daeg with that poor acting fruitloop kid? 5) was the white horse necessary at all? 6) Why was Sherrie Moon in the movie and was does her acting get worse everytime i see her? 7) Why does it seems like Myers jumps around place to place in the movie with no motive? 8) Why does Myers grunt and growl? 9) Why do all the girls in the movie suddenly have an edgy pothead persona when they were pop teeny boppers in h1? 10) Why does myers walk like he is carrying a load in his pants? 11) Why does Laurie and Michael share the same deluons?

12) Was it all a figment of lauries mind or Michaels or both... why? 13) Why did Loomis character go from being genuine about mike to being a douche fag w/o any gn of the previous loomis? 14) What was the point of any of the stupid filler crap scenes and murders in the movie? 15) Why did they do this to the halloween francise?

I could literally go on and on and on about this but i wont... i have left out A LOT of what i saw in this movie but as i said, it really pissed me off...

I had such high hope for this film. I've been looking forward to it for months. I was awake for over 24 hours from work and school exams afterwards to go to the midnight showing Thursday night. After it was over I just really wasn't feeling it. I chalked it up to no sleep. Then a friend tonight wanted to go so I figured I'd give it another chance. No feeling. The death scenes were a bit excesve. I am all for a creative death scene, but this was getting to the point of being ridiculous in its repetition. Sometimes more isn't better. The white horse/Mommie ghost concept was a bit overdrawn and slowed the movie down a bit. Lots of lifeless characters(What was that ambulance passenger's damage and Miss Slut'N'Furter was beyond annoying. The only parts of the movie that made it for me were Scout, Danielle, and Brad. I understand where Rob was trying to go with this and I'm sure his purest intentions were there, but I think he really missed the mark with this one. And that is so hard for me to say, because I am an enormous fan of his muc and his films. I was just really really let down.

I notice alot of people asking about the White horse.

If you paid attention to the opening scene..it was a quote from a book about dreams and mentioned the white horse being pretty much a symbol of strength, and chaos all at once. Oh man what does that sound like? Michael Myers?

The point of the Sherri moon being a ghost..is if again you pay attention to Halloween's past. Paranormal happenings are how Mr. Myers got killed like 40,000 times and didn't die.

And the fact he was crazy. He was holding on to the "little boy" and his mother as an adult. Thusly making him more of a psycho.

Why Laurie went crazy..well She's part of that fucked up family that's how.

They shared the same blood, and DNA makeup the happenings from H1 triggering something that cause these crazy deluons. As well as the mother is dead, and who knows what kind of paranormal shit dead bitches can pull off.

My opinion on the originals is that they were boring, and lacked in depth. And I didn't care for them, Halloween 3 being the worst movie ever made. Mr. Zombie just took it a step further adding more depth, gore, and so forth..And if you look at Rob Zombie's record of art/muc..strip clubs are quite common as well as random nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.

I personally don't favor his muc in the least, however as an artist and director I find him to be pure genius.

Dracula was remade billion times, no one complained that Gary Oldman, that guy that looks like Lou Diamond Philips or that Christopher Lee was Dracula, Frankenstein was remade like 50 billion times in the 70's and again based souly on the book with Robert Deniero(so, spelled wrong). However, you kill off one dude 6 million times in a "franchise" weither it be Friday the 13th, or Halloween and everyone wants to complain that someone made it wrong.

It's a rehashing of the story..just like they did in the 70's with the Hammer films. Which are now labeled "clascs". I don't see any problem with it.

Leave Rob Zombie alone, if we want to battle in the horror world, let us all attack the writers for Vampire Diaries, and Twilight..talk about inconstant..sheesh. Or when Tim Burton fucked up Batman, and Charlie and the Chocolate factory, and Sweeney Todd. Yes people argue this all the time "The Joker is suppose to be this and this that jack nicholson did"..or read the comic book and find a different view..

Ok I'm done defending good filmage.

That's why I prefer this te. I love reading reviews from different people without everyone slamming each other. Kudos to the mods and members here.

The real question to me isn't really whether I enjoyed the movie or not. I particularly didn't care for it but the real question is who did Rob Zombie make this movie for? It had zero appeal to your hardcore Halloween fans. Casual movie goer's won't have the foggiest idea of whats going on imo. It's so different than his remake of H1 that I am not sure even those die hard fans will be able to come on board here. So who was this for? Was he trying to reinvent the wheel because I'm afraid he feel flat on his face and that won't translate to revenue for this movie. I always like it when someone tries to pull off something new but this felt like it was sewn together way too fast. It had some good ideas but it was like they weren't sure how to pull them off. And I agree with many of you. The lack of the original Halloween theme at some point in the film was such a blow. It would have had so many of us on our seats clapping if it would have played, just a few bars. I realize he was trying to do something new but why even call it Halloween. This didn't feel like a Halloween movie and at the end of the day isn't that the crowd your trying to please or at the very least the casual audience?

The release date hasn't been set where I live

May have to snag the DVD

From reading everyone's reviews now I really want to see this film! Up to this point if the majority of you say it's that bad it just makes me want to see it more

I particularly didn't care for it but the real question is who did Rob Zombie make this movie for?

That's a REALLY good question. I'm going to have to say he made it for himself.

I don't have any proof to back this up but I'm bang this hypothes on the fact that when he finished the remake he said he'd never do another one . . . then he started to think about it and thought there was more story to be told (a summary of his interviews about this).

I'm willing to bet if the studio would have given him the same freedom and liberty with the remake that they did with H2, the remake would have been WAY different also.For some reason I remember reading where Zombie said that he originally wanted the "remake" to be all about young Myers.

Then the sequel to be all about Halloween night with Laurie then have the third film be H2 - to make a Halloween trilogy (don't quote me on that, I just remember reading an interview where he said something along those lines).

they just shoulda left it alone & let Michael die!

(I actually dig the "Michael is very much human" idea.)

It could have worked - & obviously I'm not alone in some of my thoughts on how it could have worked:

I'm glad I'm not alone Bridge

I notice alot of people asking about the White horse.

If you paid attention to the opening scene..it was a quote from a book about dreams and mentioned the white horse being pretty much a symbol of strength, and chaos all at once. Oh man what does that sound like? Michael Myers?

The point of the Sherri moon being a ghost..is if again you pay attention to Halloween's past. Paranormal happenings are how Mr. Myers got killed like 40,000 times and didn't die.

And the fact he was crazy. He was holding on to the "little boy" and his mother as an adult. Thusly making him more of a psycho.

Why Laurie went crazy..well She's part of that fucked up family that's how.

They shared the same blood, and DNA makeup the happenings from H1 triggering something that cause these crazy deluons. As well as the mother is dead, and who knows what kind of paranormal shit dead bitches can pull off.

My opinion on the originals is that they were boring, and lacked in depth. And I didn't care for them, Halloween 3 being the worst movie ever made. Mr. Zombie just took it a step further adding more depth, gore, and so forth..And if you look at Rob Zombie's record of art/muc..strip clubs are quite common as well as random nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.

I personally don't favor his muc in the least, however as an artist and director I find him to be pure genius.

Dracula was remade billion times, no one complained that Gary Oldman, that guy that looks like Lou Diamond Philips or that Christopher Lee was Dracula, Frankenstein was remade like 50 billion times in the 70's and again based souly on the book with Robert Deniero(so, spelled wrong). However, you kill off one dude 6 million times in a "franchise" weither it be Friday the 13th, or Halloween and everyone wants to complain that someone made it wrong.

It's a rehashing of the story..just like they did in the 70's with the Hammer films. Which are now labeled "clascs". I don't see any problem with it.

Leave Rob Zombie alone, if we want to battle in the horror world, let us all attack the writers for Vampire Diaries, and Twilight..talk about inconstant..sheesh. Or when Tim Burton fucked up Batman, and Charlie and the Chocolate factory, and Sweeney Todd. Yes people argue this all the time "The Joker is suppose to be this and this that jack nicholson did"..or read the comic book and find a different view..

Ok I'm done defending good filmage.i understood the point of the white horse but he beat a dead horse by showing showing it too damn much

the point of sheri moon being a ghost is for rob to find a way to get his wife in the movie end of story yes laurie is related to myers thus the potential for craziness is there and i wont dispute that but the flashbacks and stuff were WAY over used

if you find original stories, suspense, build up, and character development AND DEPTH (please i dare you to try to prove the original H1 and H2 lacked depth) boring then i can see why you would find the originals boring

adding more gore and "hip" and "cool" effects dont make a movie good it makes it into a mtv video for generation short attention span

who cant wait for anything they want it NOWrandom nonsense is random nonsense and i wont even address that because random nonsense doesnt help to push a story alongas far as your remake argument goes it is not valid nce this is not a remake, its a sequel to a remake thus holding it to its own standard to be judged alone, if you ask me it would have been betyter if (i shudder to say this) he would have remade the original halloween 2

the hammer films did all the dracula and frankenstein movies because universal had those movies pulled out of circulation and that was the only way anyone would be able to see those stories and yes they are clascs because the ACTING STORY AND DIRECTION WERE VERY GOOD!!!! thet were far superior to the sequels universal put out in the late 40s and 50s (the later hammer films in the late 70s kinda sucked but thats another matter for another time)i will not be leaving rob zombie alone until he learns to write a coherent script and starts making movies that arent 2 hour white zombie videos i thought he learned his craft well with the devils rejects but started reverting backwards with halloween and even worse with this.

very good, valid points.. indeed. I'll definatley agree with it being it's own sequel as oppose to a remake.

Again though, you do make some great points.

very good, valid points.. indeed. I'll definatley agree with it being it's own sequel as oppose to a remake.

Again though, you do make some great points. thank you very much and thanks for not coming back with the usual "you dont know anything" attacks and being respectful

very good, valid points.. indeed. I'll definatley agree with it being it's own sequel as oppose to a remake.

Again though, you do make some great points. thank you very much and thanks for not coming back with the usual "you dont know anything" attacks and being respectful

Not a problem, we all have our opinions..there's no right or wrong..and hell you probably do know alot more than I do. haha.

very good, valid points.. indeed. I'll definatley agree with it being it's own sequel as oppose to a remake.

Again though, you do make some great points. thank you very much and thanks for not coming back with the usual "you dont know anything" attacks and being respectful

Not a problem, we all have our opinions..there's no right or wrong..and hell you probably do know alot more than I do. haha.

people beinmg cordial in a heated debate thread on a forum. what kind of black magic is this place ung?

very good, valid points.. indeed. I'll definatley agree with it being it's own sequel as oppose to a remake.

Again though, you do make some great points. thank you very much and thanks for not coming back with the usual "you dont know anything" attacks and being respectful

Not a problem, we all have our opinions..there's no right or wrong..and hell you probably do know alot more than I do. haha.

people beinmg cordial in a heated debate thread on a forum. what kind of black magic is this place ung? lol we use the good ju ju around here!

I just got back from the theater.

I feel like I've just been raped....

This movies sucked so bad that I almost got up and walked out several times. The only thing that kept me there was the good ol' buttered popcorn! I can't belive this movie was aloud to be made this way. What the Hell was Malek Akkad thinking? After the first screening of this movie why was it released in theaters? Do they realize they have completely trashed and killed the Halloween franchise? Rob Zombie has raped and murdered all that was ever good about Halloween and Michael Myers. And what the fuck was with Dr. Loomis in this movie?! Are you kidding me?

Good going, Rob. You ruined it for me.

And I'm very anxious to read DrenTheLiar's review!

-G

I notice alot of people asking about the White horse.

If you paid attention to the opening scene..it was a quote from a book about dreams and mentioned the white horse being pretty much a symbol of strength, and chaos all at once. Oh man what does that sound like? Michael Myers?

The point of the Sherri moon being a ghost..is if again you pay attention to Halloween's past. Paranormal happenings are how Mr. Myers got killed like 40,000 times and didn't die.

And the fact he was crazy. He was holding on to the "little boy" and his mother as an adult. Thusly making him more of a psycho.

Why Laurie went crazy..well She's part of that fucked up family that's how.

They shared the same blood, and DNA makeup the happenings from H1 triggering something that cause these crazy deluons. As well as the mother is dead, and who knows what kind of paranormal shit dead bitches can pull off.

My opinion on the originals is that they were boring, and lacked in depth. And I didn't care for them, Halloween 3 being the worst movie ever made. Mr. Zombie just took it a step further adding more depth, gore, and so forth..And if you look at Rob Zombie's record of art/muc..strip clubs are quite common as well as random nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.

I personally don't favor his muc in the least, however as an artist and director I find him to be pure genius.

Dracula was remade billion times, no one complained that Gary Oldman, that guy that looks like Lou Diamond Philips or that Christopher Lee was Dracula, Frankenstein was remade like 50 billion times in the 70's and again based souly on the book with Robert Deniero(so, spelled wrong). However, you kill off one dude 6 million times in a "franchise" weither it be Friday the 13th, or Halloween and everyone wants to complain that someone made it wrong.

It's a rehashing of the story..just like they did in the 70's with the Hammer films. Which are now labeled "clascs". I don't see any problem with it.

Leave Rob Zombie alone, if we want to battle in the horror world, let us all attack the writers for Vampire Diaries, and Twilight..talk about inconstant..sheesh. Or when Tim Burton fucked up Batman, and Charlie and the Chocolate factory, and Sweeney Todd. Yes people argue this all the time "The Joker is suppose to be this and this that jack nicholson did"..or read the comic book and find a different view..

Ok I'm done defending good filmage.

I didnt ask why there was a white horse in terms of depth, i wanted to know why it had anything to do with the movie... the answer is, it wasnt necessary. Please dont start talking about old halloween movies and their paranormal attributes being the reason rob zombies bimbo of a wife played a shitty ghost. And no Laurie wasnt crazy because of her relation to the family. Otherwise she would have had issues prior to H1... She never developed any deluons until the last few scenes of H2.

Cannibal......everyone has expressed their views in a cordial and fun manor. Please refrain from rude remarks and inflammatory type language. thanks -Evan/Ny Ghoul

Cannibal......everyone has expressed their views in a cordial and fun manor. Please refrain from rude remarks and inflammatory type language. thanks -Evan/Ny Ghoul

I dont apreciate innuations that i am not intellegent enough to gather symbolism. If youre going to comment on a post READ it in its entirety before you use sarcasm in your responses to said post. I got carried away and i apologize, but the fact remains when you open a thread based in a head on topic people are going to disagree... i just disagree more vulgarly.

Cannibal......everyone has expressed their views in a cordial and fun manor. Please refrain from rude remarks and inflammatory type language. thanks -Evan/Ny Ghoul

I dont apreciate innuations that i am not intellegent enough to gather symbolism. If youre going to comment on a post READ it in its entirety before you use sarcasm in your responses to said post. I got carried away and i apologize, but the fact remains when you open a thread based in a head on topic people are going to disagree... i just disagree more vulgarly.

Totally understandable and thanks for apologizing and explaining but name calling . . .nope

I liked it. Although after seeing how the vions/hallucinations/dreams inter-hashed with reality, i wonder if that ending really happened.

OVERDONEWITHGONE

I just got back from the theater.

I feel like I've just been raped....

This movies sucked so bad that I almost got up and walked out several times. The only thing that kept me there was the good ol' buttered popcorn! I can't belive this movie was aloud to be made this way. What the Hell was Malek Akkad thinking? After the first screening of this movie why was it released in theaters? Do they realize they have completely trashed and killed the Halloween franchise? Rob Zombie has raped and murdered all that was ever good about Halloween and Michael Myers. And what the fuck was with Dr. Loomis in this movie?! Are you kidding me?

Good going, Rob. You ruined it for me.

And I'm very anxious to read DrenTheLiar's review!

-G

DrentheLiar!You said it Gary, I can't wait to read his review! I'm going to hear I told you so for years to come!

In other depresng news Rotten Tomatos has the Tomatometer for H2 is doing worse than The Final Destination.



So if this does indeed flop big time at the box office. Do you think the studio will chalk this up to being an entire dream sequence and bring Mike back to get this bad taste out of their mouth or is Michael Myers dead for good? I just have a weird feeling we haven't seen the last of this veron of Myers. I may be completely wrong but if this movie tanks are they really going to want to end the series this way?

theres so much stuff that was left out of this final movie that i actually think the blu ray will be better and will explain things a lot more. i think he had to leave a ton on the cutting room floor with this being so rushed.

theres so much stuff that was left out of this final movie that i actually think the blu ray will be better and will explain things a lot more. i think he had to leave a ton on the cutting room floor with this being so rushed.You may be right. I do remember a lot of leaked photos that weren't anywhere to be seen in the final movie. Maybe the DVD will be better.

If FD does better its thanks to the SAW factor and nothing else......the demographic is much bigger. HALLOWEEN has the history and a solid fanbase but the FD films appeal greatly to the tweenies and all the bubble gum horror goers and casual movie goers.

As far as Matt/Dren goes....he made up his mind a long time ago as to whether or not H2 is a good film. In fact a lot of people did. Not saying Matt isn't capable of watching and pointing out any good things after all hes a smart dude. But it would kinda be like asking me what I think of a movie like FAST AND THE FURIOUS or one of those high school dance off films. I know I hate them. I dont have to go see on to know what Im going to think.

One thing I will point out that I find interesting.....I noticed on MM that the people who HATED the film were VERY vociferous and negative; leaving posts that were half a page long while the people who liked it weren't all heated up and left a normal post. There were people who DID like the film. You just cant hear them.

meanwhile I STILL....STILL haven't seen it!

You know I must say and no offense meant Dren but damn I so wanted to see you be wrong and all the others but it doesn't look like it will be happening. One good thign about it is you can make Boomans life misserable for awhile telling him you told him so. lol

A little comparison for everybody.

Am i the only one who is SHOCKED that Halloween 3 has the third highest tomato ranking of all the Halloween films?!?!

I love Halloween 3 but I'm still really surprised by this.Oh and critically speaking, Zombie's Halloween 2 is better than Resurrection, Halloween 6 & Halloween 5. (not that I'm one to agree with the critics as I'm sure you've noticed from other posts I've made in the past LOL)



Oops, forgot H20

They might pass off this movie as being a dream, I mean some of the kills made me say WTF? Like when the guy was taking a piss and Myers just appeared. And when Myers walks out from behind the tree to kill the cop. WTF? Another thing how could Myers have been at the party and then beat Laurie home and have enough time to kill Annie? This movie has too many holes.

I am shocked H2O got such a high spot on there.

Halloween III rocks though and I still say if not for the name Halloween attached it would have done so much better.

I just go back, I enjoyed it but not nearly as much as RZs H1. The dream/hallucination shit was completely ridiculous. If you cut all that out I think you'd have a pretty decent Halloween. I honestly wouldn't mind if this was the last we saw of mike, I'm kinda ck of seeing the same characters over and over

I wouldn't be shocked if it is the last but at the same time as people have said they could always use the "it was all just a dream" and do another. If it keeps going as bad as it sounds money wise then I'd be shocked to see another.

I wouldn't be shocked if it is the last but at the same time as people have said they could always use the "it was all just a dream" and do another. If it keeps going as bad as it sounds money wise then I'd be shocked to see another.

That's what Joel and I were talking about earlier Cropsy. If this does indeed tank at the box office the studio will find it hard to go back and push for another. I am guesng that Michael Myers may officially be in the books but stranger things have happened that's for sure.

With the money H2 will make this week and the subsequent $ made from the sales of the cinematic veron dvd and then the directors cut; merchandise etc.....Im sure the big wigs will be happy. We'll see another one sometime soon.

With the money H2 will make this week and the subsequent $ made from the sales of the cinematic veron dvd and then the directors cut; merchandise etc.....Im sure the big wigs will be happy. We'll see another one sometime soon.

Evan you could very well be right. These movies are cheaper to make therefore it may be worth the risk to bring Michael back home once again. However I will be honest. I think they need to wait awhile this time. Let this one linger for awhile.

I wanted to address Matt aka DrenTheLiar because his review is coming tomorrow. I know many people have stated that they are not looking forward to his opinion or they can't wait to see him blast it. Everyone is eagerly anticipating it as a joke if nothing else. I just want to say that if you know Dren you know what your going to get. He say's what he feels and that pisses a lot of people off. I actually think he's hilarious (most of the time) but I understand why he gets under some people's skin. I just want to say this because he and I have had a bet on whether this film would do well and it looks like he won.....as much as I hate to admit it. I am fully prepared to be blasted by him as I would have did the same if the shoe was on the other foot. That's one cool thing about this board, we can rib each other without taking it personal. So if he comes on here spouting off at the mouth you'll know who it's directed too. And Dren, may you roast in hell!I'll get you back sooner or later trust me!

I actually look forward to see what if anything he liked but I just hate to see he was right. lol

The nice part to me is this place has been one of the only ones to keep it from being a bunch of rude bullsh!t where it was all one ded.

Plus we all know Matt went and saw this with Rob Zombie so it isn't like he didn't like it but has to keep his image of hating it. lol j/k Matt

I actually look forward to see what if anything he liked but I just hate to see he was right. lol

The nice part to me is this place has been one of the only ones to keep it from being a bunch of rude bullsh!t where it was all one ded.

Plus we all know Matt went and saw this with Rob Zombie so it isn't like he didn't like it but has to keep his image of hating it. lol j/k Matt

I told Rob if I didn't like it I would ball tap him on the way out of the theater and then when we get outde he has to bow at my feet and kiss my shoes.

I so can see you doing that matt. lol

Halloween is now dead, thanks to the hack of a director Zombie. He has just turned the franchise over and raped it in the ass. This movie was a complete piece of shit. Even worse than the remake!

-Again, and obvious, Michael is a giant retard. Zombie should remake Adams Family next, Mane would make a great Lurch.

-Laurie is once again annoying as hell and even more so in this one. Between her constant crying/babbling and acting like a drunk skank I can tell which is worse.

-Loomis, why the fuck was Loomis even in this? His character was pointless till the end, which was the best part of the movie because his schmuck of a Loomis dies. Zombie turned Loomis into a money hungry prick and all of a sudden he has a change of heart at the end? What the fuck is that about? Donald Pleasance is probably rolling over in his grave. The character of Loomis has be forever disgraced.

-I saw someone say that there was minimal vulgarity in this movie. Bullshit! There was just any many fucks in this one as there was the remake. Is that really all Rob can come up with for dialogue is excesve teen vulgarity?

-The vions, oh god the vions. This had to be the worst part of the movie. They were obviously just a reason to put Sheri Moon in the movie and were completely and utterly unnecessary. Speaking of Sheri Moon, god was she awful. her and that sad, monotone, obviously acting excuse for a young Michael. Jesus, even Daeg was better than the little turd.

-I take my previous statement back about the vions being the worst part. The worst part was this movie didn't even feel like fucking Haloween Except for a few well shot screen captures this movie did not even feel like fall time or Halloween at all!

-The theme was no where to be found which is just an instant killer right there.

-In all, if you really look at it, this movie is not about Halloween. It's a redneck tale of some screwed up family getting back together. Wow, I'm thrilled.

THE ONE GOOD THING

Brad Dourif played his part amazing and was actually a pleasure to watch. I wasn't a big fan of his part in the remake but he was spectacular in this.

Halloween is dead, just...DEAD. Fuck Malek Fuck Trancas Fuck Dimenon Fuck the Weinersteins Fuck Zombie and his wife

And honestly, if you enjoyed this movie at all, you are in my book, a......

Eat that and choke on it.

Halloween is now dead, thanks to the hack of a director Zombie. He has just turned the franchise over and raped it in the ass. This movie was a complete piece of shit. Even worse than the remake!

-Again, and obvious, Michael is a giant retard. Zombie should remake Adams Family next, Mane would make a great Lurch.

-Laurie is once again annoying as hell and even more so in this one. Between her constant crying/babbling and acting like a drunk skank I can tell which is worse.

-Loomis, why the fuck was Loomis even in this? His character was pointless till the end, which was the best part of the movie because his schmuck of a Loomis dies. Zombie turned Loomis into a money hungry prick and all of a sudden he has a change of heart at the end? What the fuck is that about? Donald Pleasance is probably rolling over in his grave. The character of Loomis has be forever disgraced.

-I saw someone say that there was minimal vulgarity in this movie. Bullshit! There was just any many fucks in this one as there was the remake. Is that really all Rob can come up with for dialogue is excesve teen vulgarity?

-The vions, oh god the vions. This had to be the worst part of the movie. They were obviously just a reason to put Sheri Moon in the movie and were completely and utterly unnecessary. Speaking of Sheri Moon, god was she awful. her and that sad, monotone, obviously acting excuse for a young Michael. Jesus, even Daeg was better than the little turd.

-I take my previous statement back about the vions being the worst part. The worst part was this movie didn't even feel like fucking Haloween Except for a few well shot screen captures this movie did not even feel like fall time or Halloween at all!

-The theme was no where to be found which is just an instant killer right there.

-In all, if you really look at it, this movie is not about Halloween. It's a redneck tale of some screwed up family getting back together. Wow, I'm thrilled.

THE ONE GOOD THING

Brad Dourif played his part amazing and was actually a pleasure to watch. I wasn't a big fan of his part in the remake but he was spectacular in this.

Halloween is dead, just...DEAD. Fuck Malek Fuck Trancas Fuck Dimenon Fuck the Weinersteins Fuck Zombie and his wife

And honestly, if you enjoyed this movie at all, you are in my book, a.....

Eat that and choke on it.At the very least you know he went in with an open mind! God I wish I liked the film enough to debate you Dren!

It was worse than I had even expected. I at least expected to like more than one thing about it but damn, this was just....trash, just pure cinema trash.

I'm just hoping Joel takes offense to that line Matt and tells you why in his opinion it's a good film.

JOEL I WANT TO HEAR A GOOD FRIENDLY DEBATE!!!!!!

LOL, I'm still happy with my review and I think I made sound arguments.

Again, I said I expected to be the only one to like it but let me get this straight Dren . . you're saying that one of the owners of HorrorBid (who's given you a free forum, free auction te, and works their butts off to bring you great contests and collector news) is a moron?j/k

No, Justin's a looney.

I still haven't seen it and unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it won't most likely till dvd. I do have to say it is even more depresng when people don't even want to debate Dren nce the movie really seems to have been that bad. I can say the only thing kicking people in the teeth more is them saying Halloween #d next summer. Hell let this one run it's course first you damn money hungry b@stards.

Dren, and I'm not trying to be a dick, but you went into this movie already knowing you were gonna hate it, so why even waste your time going?

Honestly, thank god for this place because Myers.net is now filled with anal retentiveness. Oh, did the grunting bother anyone? I'm still on the fence on that. I thought it was a good idea but...the way Mane did it I didn't like too much.

I agree 100% about the grunting, it was a good idea but poorly executed

OVERDONEWITHGONE

Now wait just a minute Matt! DREN IS A LIAR! I just found this picture on your MySpace page?



Look at that date! I KNEW YOU WERE A ZOMBIE MARK! I KNEW IT!

Well it looks like Im the last of the Mohegans to see this flick. Went with my wife and another couple. First the people I was with:

Brandon: an actor by trade; a casual horror fan; no allegiances to RZ......liked it overall. Thought the directing was good and stylized; liked the 16mm choice and over all look of the film. Wasn't crazy about the dreams.

Kristin: closed her eyes after the first five minutes due to the violence. She wimped out big time!

My wife: BIG Rob Zombie fan especially "HOUSE..."; out of all Rob's films she liked it the least. She said it was ok and definately had some good scares and kills but thought it was inferior to RZ's first Halloween. "Better than most slashers these days but hoped for more".

ok.....you guys know by know I am a HUGE Rob Zombie fan. I think he is a great story teller and director. I DON'T think (or anyone) should have redone HALLOWEEN because no matter what...the film would be doomed to fail. You can't tread in the foot-steps of the holy grail of horrors.

That being said I was HAPPY that Rob added a lot of his own slants to the series especially in H2.

MICHAEL......an amazing performance by Tyler Mane. You could feel his RAGE and really see how much of a psychopath he was. Stellar stuff from Mane and I LOVED the grunting and all out brutality.

BRUTALITY....I love slashers and for me sometimes the more brutal the better. The kills were insane...cold and heartless. When he bashed that stripper's skull to mulch; when he axes buddy...sheesh...the nurse? I loved every ounce of blood that Michael spilled.

THE LOOK....I personally LOVE 16mm....the grainy quality; lush and runny colours...I thought it looked especially beautiful in the landscape scenes. I loved the lighting and lack there of at times.

GOOD ACTORS: Mane as I said was great; Douriff was AMAZING; and while alot of people are dumping on Scout I thought she played a distraught young woman very well.

THE BAD: I feared the dream sequences coming into this film. I was pleasantly surprised to find most of them cool and effective. My complaint is the over-kill. Too much.

Loomis....I dont care that RZ changed the character. The loveable Loomis played by DOnald Pleasance is forged in our hearts...we needed something new. A pricky Loomis was ok...but I would have had him go through the change of heart after the book gning and run in with Linda's father.

The end....I think it should have ended with Laurie stabbing Michael. Coming out with the mask on and the whole transfer of evil recalled H4 and 5. I wasn't thrilled....but the end with the smirk and all? I hated it.

Overall I thought this was a BETTER Halloween installment than H5;6;7 and 8. I LOVED Mayne's performance and I loved the sheer brutality of the film. It was repetative at times and there wasnt too much character development but what we got I liked.

Im happy that Im still able to behold JC's clasc and still enjoy RZ's two takes as well without getting all bent out of shape. Too many people made up their mind WAAAAAY before seeing

the film.

Im glad Matt/Dren was able to at least give it up to Mr Douriff. As for Matt's clong comment? I dont conder Matt a connoisseur of good horror anyway. And the reaction and words Matt used were unfortunately predictable.

I have to admit that I feel like I have reverted to junior high school again reading a lot of these posts and I found myself getting mad and upset at a lot of the low and embarasng things that were said about Rob Zombie and his wife. I think its a bit shameful. Like a movie or not...I think its safe to say that most people out there making movies are doing it to make their fans happy. To see people hurl around hate and also direct it at fans? thats where I draw the line.

Well it looks like Im the last of the Mohegans to see this flick. Went with my wife and another couple. First the people I was with:

Brandon: an actor by trade; a casual horror fan; no allegiances to RZ......liked it overall. Thought the directing was good and stylized; liked the 16mm choice and over all look of the film. Wasn't crazy about the dreams.

Kristin: closed her eyes after the first five minutes due to the violence. She wimped out big time!

My wife: BIG Rob Zombie fan especially "HOUSE..."; out of all Rob's films she liked it the least. She said it was ok and definately had some good scares and kills but thought it was inferior to RZ's first Halloween. "Better than most slashers these days but hoped for more".

ok.....you guys know by know I am a HUGE Rob Zombie fan. I think he is a great story teller and director. I DON'T think (or anyone) should have redone HALLOWEEN because no matter what...the film would be doomed to fail. You can't tread in the foot-steps of the holy grail of horrors.

That being said I was HAPPY that Rob added a lot of his own slants to the series especially in H2.

MICHAEL......an amazing performance by Tyler Mane. You could feel his RAGE and really see how much of a psychopath he was. Stellar stuff from Mane and I LOVED the grunting and all out brutality.

BRUTALITY....I love slashers and for me sometimes the more brutal the better. The kills were insane...cold and heartless. When he bashed that stripper's skull to mulch; when he axes buddy...sheesh...the nurse? I loved every ounce of blood that Michael spilled.

THE LOOK....I personally LOVE 16mm....the grainy quality; lush and runny colours...I thought it looked especially beautiful in the landscape scenes. I loved the lighting and lack there of at times.

GOOD ACTORS: Mane as I said was great; Douriff was AMAZING; and while alot of people are dumping on Scout I thought she played a distraught young woman very well.

THE BAD: I feared the dream sequences coming into this film. I was pleasantly surprised to find most of them cool and effective. My complaint is the over-kill. Too much.

Loomis....I dont care that RZ changed the character. The loveable Loomis played by DOnald Pleasance is forged in our hearts...we needed something new. A pricky Loomis was ok...but I would have had him go through the change of heart after the book gning and run in with Linda's father.

The end....I think it should have ended with Laurie stabbing Michael. Coming out with the mask on and the whole transfer of evil recalled H4 and 5. I wasn't thrilled....but the end with the smirk and all? I hated it.

Overall I thought this was a BETTER Halloween installment than H5;6;7 and 8. I LOVED Mayne's performance and I loved the sheer brutality of the film. It was repetative at times and there wasnt too much character development but what we got I liked.

Im happy that Im still able to behold JC's clasc and still enjoy RZ's two takes as well without getting all bent out of shape. Too many people made up their mind WAAAAAY before seeing

the film.

Im glad Matt/Dren was able to at least give it up to Mr Douriff. As for Matt's clong comment? I dont conder Matt a connoisseur of good horror anyway. And the reaction and words Matt used were unfortunately predictable.

I have to admit that I feel like I have reverted to junior high school again reading a lot of these posts and I found myself getting mad and upset at a lot of the low and embarasng things that were said about Rob Zombie and his wife. I think its a bit shameful. Like a movie or not...I think its safe to say that most people out there making movies are doing it to make their fans happy. To see people hurl around hate and also direct it at fans? thats where I draw the line.

Very well said Evan and a great review to read. It is after all a movie and although we all agree to disagree this is what makes tes like these fun. To hear different opinions and for the most part you guys did a flawless job. It's tough when you're mesng with something as sacred as the Halloween series and obviously reactions for or against something you feel pationate about can cause discourse amongst people. It's refreshing however to know when we're having a good time and when we can have a civil debate. So far so good and I can't wait to hear more reviews come in. Cropsy I am dying for you to go see it my friend. Anxiously awaiting your review among many others!

Thanks Boomeister!

I also wanted to mention that this was a 4:30 showing in Queens and it was PACKED. The general opinions were potives...the only negatives I overheard were a few girls complaining that it was too violent.

I'm still on the fence about the violence because there were a few kills that weren't very gory, like the deputy's death outde Annie's house. Speaking of which did anyone just love that kill? I thought it was pretty good, although it would have been better if they just shot the whole thing from a distance instead of zooming in a couple times.

I so want to get to this but am doubting it as of right now unless my g/f stops tourturing me and goes. I was at the theater yesterday with the kids and her seeing G.I. Joe and so wanted to just say look I am off to Halloween and I'll see you guys after. lol I must say though a friend of mine who went says he found it to be o.k. and didn't say alot more. That greatly dissapointed me as he is very reliable for me on horror films as we like most all the same horror films. I haven't gotten to talk to him much more about it and will today. I am glad though to see Evan's review as I think him and I may be around the same opinion on our enjoyment of Rob Zombie. I have said it over and over on boards I was (I beleiev the only one at the time) one who said Zombie should remake Halloween if anyone was going to. I still to this day think he did a good job on it and no matter what people would find fault. I get a

kick out of how people say Donald would be turning in his grave over th way Loomis was protrayed in this last film. I personally conseder myself one of his biggest fans and am glad it was not portrayed in the same way Donald did not that anyone could have been as good as him to begin with. McDowell did a good job at what I honestly would have made him be in these films being a remake. I look at so many people and the way things go these days and can see him becoming the heartless bastard I felt he would be in this film. The fame and money had to change him some and certainly how could he not become bitter and maybe more self centered with it all. I have not seen it so this is just going on what I read but it sounds to me what little he was in this one he played it well. I can't wait to see Brad Douriff or Harris in this as I think they are both incredible but just hearing how amazing his role as Brackett just makes me want to see it more. But enough rambling and IF I do see it trust me you will see a review of it.

I so want to get to this but am doubting it as of right now unless my g/f stops tourturing me and goes. I was at the theater yesterday with the kids and her seeing G.I. Joe and so wanted to just say look I am off to Halloween and I'll see you guys after. lol I must say though a friend of mine who went says he found it to be o.k. and didn't say alot more. That greatly dissapointed me as he is very reliable for me on horror films as we like most all the same horror films. I haven't gotten to talk to him much more about it and will today. I am glad though to see Evan's review as I think him and I may be around the same opinion on our enjoyment of Rob Zombie. I have said it over and over on boards I was (I beleiev the only one at the time) one who said Zombie should remake Halloween if anyone was going to. I still to this day think he did a good job on it and no matter what people would find fault. I get a

kick out of how people say Donald would be turning in his grave over th way Loomis was protrayed in this last film. I personally conseder myself one of his biggest fans and am glad it was not portrayed in the same way Donald did not that anyone could have been as good as him to begin with. McDowell did a good job at what I honestly would have made him be in these films being a remake. I look at so many people and the way things go these days and can see him becoming the heartless bastard I felt he would be in this film. The fame and money had to change him some and certainly how could he not become bitter and maybe more self centered with it all. I have not seen it so this is just going on what I read but it sounds to me what little he was in this one he played it well. I can't wait to see Brad Douriff or Harris in this as I think they are both incredible but just hearing how amazing his role as Brackett just makes me want to see it more. But enough rambling and IF I do see it trust me you will see a review of it.

Yeah man you noted it well...what good would it have done us to have malcolm bacally immitate or recreate Donald's character......Donald's Loomis is etched in stone and in the annals of cinematic history. The change was welcomed by me and I thought Malcolm played the

greedy role well.

He played a relatively lonely man (remember...Michael was his only "friend") who was credited with failing to help Myers. Fortune swings his way and he parlays it into $$$ and fame.

Then he becomes crestfallen when he sees the wrong that he did do. I loved it....except the switch in the character arc came too swiftly much akin to Anakin in ROTS. I would have liked to have seen Loomis mull around in his regret more. It would have made for an even more dramatic stand off at the end.

Its the "day after" and Ive had more time to think about the film and let it nk in more. Again...the first 20 mins are INSANE. Its an overall BRUTAL film and its very stylized. Im going to

and reiterate: neither of RZ's films compare to JC's masterpiece I mean shit....it goes beyond horror. Its taught in cinema classes along de CITIZEN KANE and other clascs. BUT.....I think a lot of liked H4;5;6;7 or 8 because we were clining to the icon; the shape; the muc......were any of those good films???? (well i really liked 4)

RZ did not "kill" the franchise....he brought some life back into it....and BROUGHT BAD ASS BACK TO MICHAEL MYERS WHO AFTER A BUNCH OF CRAPPY FILMS WAS LESS SCARY THAN A KITTEN!

People didnt like 6'10" Mane's Myers who was a complete PSYCHOPATH? I'll take a grunting bearded relentless killing machine over a dope who gets drop kicked by a half ass rapper ANY time!

Bringing some "bad ass" to Michael was always welcomed by me... but not to the detriment of his character.

It's one thing to make him an accomplished stalker and a swift killer, I've just never seen Michael as much of a super intense character as far as kills go.

He was never all that brutal, he started to go that way in the later sequels only because of the pressures of the times.

I can agree that the series needed a new direction badly, but a new direction that didn't destroy the mythology completely.

This film just dropped all of it and went TOO far off track.

I didn't mind something new, just something that kept Michael pure.

Loomis as well.

What they did to him was criminal to me...

That would be like making a remake of Jaws, having Quint survive... and making a Jaws II with Quint being a stuck up jackass who is living off of the fame of helping to kill "Bruce".

Only for him to do a bunch of jackassy things throughout the movie and show up at the end to try to and save Brody...only to be eaten completely.

It would be a travesty, just like this is...IMO.

It's ok to update a myth for modern consumption, it's ok to change the story completely as long as it stays true the bac core of the myth.

This two film series just dissolves the myth and creates something that barely resembles the core of the story, and does nothing new bedes wrap it in a more aggresve angry wrapping... and ending it in a way that leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

No mystery or suspense, nothing of interest.It's like a dead cat that you see on the de of the road... it's gory, a little sad, and nothing you would want to study for long.

What's up everyone!?!

I'm new to the board but not to movies.

Took several film classes at IUPUI and have been in a few small movie productions.

I've been a profesonal hardcore wrestler for 8 years..."retired" about 8 months ago.

(Check me out on YouTube.)

I've beat Madman Pondo in the second round of King Of The Death Matches 2009...famous hardcore legend who was in 1001 Maniacs for like 2 seconds...but made the cover.

I fought The Necro Butcher at CZW Cage Of Death 9 while Mickie Rourke studied the action in the Eagles Nest of The New Alhambra Arena aka legendary(to some) ECW arena.

Necro later took on Rourke in The Wrestle movie.

I was there and won the CZW Tag Team Titles that night...I even gned a waiver to have my image in the film...though they didn't use our highlights...it was still cool.

I'm even in Filsner Games "Legends of the Future" Card Game and on the cover of a Best Buy DVD called "The Best of Death Match Wrestling: Double Death."

Now I focus on art, acting, movies, and muc...check out dieharddustinlee.com for more info.

With that said...I have introduced myself and dropped a few names like I have a hole in my pocket.

I've seen this te advertised on MySpace bulletins and often find myself looking for cool news like that of the Halloween 2 movie that has now come out.

I decided to create an account and join in on the festivities.

Here are some random thoughts...bare with me...it's long...

-I just rewatched RZ's H1...and I was more disappointed with that movie than this one, though I did still find a way to enjoy it.

It was less RZ and more like a copy of the Original...and I felt like I could feel that Zombie was forced to follow it to a certain point.

H2 is a twist on the story...and gives you inght on Mike unlike any of the old films.

To me...this Michael was real.

Notice...he didn't get shot a bunch of times and bounce back...like when he got shot 3 times in the back with a 357 Magnum...stabbed in the shoulder/collar bone area with a butcher knife...and then a graze shot to the face that Michael tried to stop....like he did in H1.

(Then again...he took all that punishment in H1...wondering if he really died in H2.

Loving the idea that it's a dream sequence of Laurie Strode...just because I love the idea of yet another RZ Halloween just to see what he would do with it after he reads all these people's gripes...and how he would intertwine parts of the old H3 Outcast flick...maybe Mike wears different masks.

Skeleton, Pumpkin, Witch?

Maybe Season Of The Witch could mean something totally new...like Angel is beginning to wig out...take drugs like LSD...and Michael is killing his way to her and she is flipping out.

Maybe Angel kills someone like Danielle Harris's old character did at the end of H5...maybe she kills Danielle Harris and the Sheriff in a scene milar to RZ's H1...but with Angel doing the killing...heading to a psych ward.

Guess I just like the idea of Danielle Harris doing a Triple Titty Death Take.)

-I was not mad at the hospital scene...I thought it was a nice nod to the Original.

Someone on here said..."Well, how can Laurie be messed up that bad...when she wasn't hurt in RZ's H1?"

My answer is that was a nightmare...things can happen.

The fact that her dream showed Michael brutally dominating that poor nurse...to me...added to the fact later on when she started hallucinating...perhaps the violence was fascinating and hence why her dream focused on that.

Totally didn't bother me...and I was happy that Rob at least nodded to the hospital scene.-The dead mom and horse.

This was not a problem for me either.

(I do wish that Lumis had made mention to the horse in Michaels old therapy sesons...in a flash back...like the boy was talking about a pale horse in his dream...and Lumis explained it to him or looked it up.

I didn't like the quote just randomly there at the beginning...but I got over it.)

I didn't go in hoping for yet another remake of the same movie like the old ones...I wanted to see what Rob's vion was...and his vion entailed explaining why Michael was murdering his way to Laurie and how the hell he found her.

Remember, he doesn't have Google Maps...he had to use some sort of evil shit or mental connection (ala H4+5 with Danielle Harris) to find Laurie.

I found it as a sort of a "Thorn"-esque reasoning if you think about it.

Back then, that too was trying to explain his rampage.

This mom ghost and horse made more sense to me.

Finally, we see what Mike is seeing...what the hell is wrong with this dude...does he think and if so...what about?

Obviously, insane crazy shit like beholding pale horses and his dead mom and Pumpkin people.

He even told his mom the vion in a vitation flashback.

So it made total sense to me.And no, I didn't think it was because Rob wanted his wife in it...she hardly had any screen time (in comparison to the entire film's length) in H1 before she shot herself in the head.

Think about it...she never saw Michael again...he went deep inde his head and obsessed with day he killed...Halloween.

Of course he's going to see this shit.

Why else come back on Halloween and not like Christmas or something.

He killed because his partents were divorced, his step dad was an abuve drunk, his mom was a stripper, his ster was a whore who ignored him, kids at school picked on him, and then his mom killed herself...when the Original has a regular looking kid murdering his ster for no reason...with both parents seemingly married...and no real reason why he chased Laurie Strode for so long.

And knocking her acting...as a dead person...a ghost...is like knocking Sean Penn for playing a retard wrong...how can you play a retard or a dead person wrong?

I found that comment as a nit-picky spoiled person's remark just trying to find something to bitch about.

de note: The pumpkin head table was awesome...sort of a nod to the old Halloween 3 with the Pumpkin mask.

If you didn't see all the little nods to shit...then you missed out!

-The new lil' Mike wasn't a big role in this...and it was how Michael saw himself...not how he really was so it's expainable why he looks different.

The other kid was very good and obviously could not fulfill the role...I doubt RZ wanted to mply piss people off by changing him for no reason.

There has to be a justifiable reason.

The first RZ H1 was a total outde look of Michael while this was so much more in depth.

It took Michael Myers and unfolded him...he didn't change...he just got unfolded.

You never knew he had a beard...but how could he not?

You knew he ate dogs...Loomis found a dead dog with the Sherriff in the Myers' House in the Original...said it was food for Michael.

In Resurrection he ate rats.

But you don't see it.

And why not change clothes?

Why would a man who is wanted by law enforcement, in this day and age of Big Brother, wear the same clothes he did when he killed someone and was apprehended by law enforcement already?

A psychopath wouldn't be mindless and would probably get a hoodie...it's fuckin' cold outde.

And why would he wear his mask ALL year long if he wasn't murdering.

He didn't wear his masks as a kid for no reason...he uses it when unleashing the rage.-I found the lack of muc as a way to de-characterize Michael as this iconic cool killer that everyone wants to see commit an innovative murder.

Without his muc...he was like a scary stranger and it made it less like a guy you want to own a mask of.

Would you own a mask of Bundy?

What's Bundy's theme song?

I think it made it more realistic...I was watching a horror movie...not a theme park attraction gimmick.

This dude was evil.

RZ's H1 used the muc...but it sort of seemed forced...I bet he would have used less if he could have.

I watched the Original right after RZ H1 yesterday and they use the muc so much better.

The pace is slower and Laurie is more innocent and sympathetic than the new movie.

But that story's been told and I'm glad there was a different "urban legend" of Michael Myers made for us fans.

The muc at the end of H2 made me smile...and reminded me that...that ck fuck that just did all that crazy shit...was Michael Myers.

I now know him better than I ever did and Holy Crap...he's nuckin' futs!

-The strip club?

Hello, McFly!?!

His mom was a stripper there...remember?

Young Mikey takes the flyer out of that kids pocket in H1...and finishes him with a branch to the grill piece.

He got clowned on for his mom being a stripper.

He went there and dominated that prick and whoever else was there...to me...that was not random.

-I found someone complaining about Michael's ze...but realize that his Original ze was strange only in that is would have been imposble to carry that tombstone out to the Smiths Grove Sanitarium's Station Wagon that he stole.

Which reminds me...he didn't drive in RZ's movies.

Avoiding traffic violation stops was a good move by Mike.

He would have been hit with a tazer and a chopper would have followed his big ass.

The movie would have been ruined when he gets pulled over for expired plates.-The Halloween Barn Party...did anyone else see the nod to, I think, H5...where the old Mike kills dudes with a pitch fork.-The stabbing...and less creative kills...to me...made it more like a real serial killer lunatic.

Jeff Dahmer didn't fuckin' change weapons to appease you...he stabbed over and over and over.

Brutally.

This was the thinking...I think.

The grunts were, I thought, a nice new addition to Mike...he actually has built up this rage...and you can feel it.

He still doesn't speak...but c'mon...you would have to grunt when stabbing that hard and deep and that many times.

To me...that made Michael more real...just like the dog eating, the hoodie-rockin', the extra, hidden Bowie Knife...like a real person.

Not a mindless zombie-like Frankenstein....though Michael was a monster...created not by a scientist but by society and family life.

He's the ultimate under-dog Columbine kid...everyone's worst nightmare.

At least he didn't have a gun.

-The facial hair.

I have facial hair and long hair...so I loved it.

In wrestling...looking crazy can help you get more bookings...just like looking roided up can...or really tan...or fake boobs...or lots of scars.

In this day and age, hairy men is a no no.

Bumbs, Vietnam vets, war protesters, bikers, hill billies, etc...all scary to the main stream, metrosexual sheeple that live in big cities.

And nowadays with biometric scanning of people's facial features and the fear of women who wear religious head dresses to cover their faces...I find the beard fuckin' awesome and realistic and scary to the mainstream and government that wants us clean cut and chipped like animals.

A long haired person just doesn't live by the rules Jarheads do.

Michael is doing his own thing and loong his mind...and has lost his Mach 3.

You'll see Rob understands this "hair issue" and uses it in his movies...just look at Devil's Rejects...and look at the Necro Butcher from The Wrestler or on YouTube...beards are scary.

-I thought that Laurie finding out she was Angel was a cool different take on the old story where Laurie faked her death and moved to California.

I like both.

It worked for me.

And to say they shouldn't have partied when they did or that those girls aren't good friends....I would have gotten blazed had I found that shit out and here it is the damn anniversary of that date a year ago and 15 years ago...and...teenagers and young adults have shitty friends...I know I did.

I may have thought they were friends, especially smokers and drinkers, but they weren't...they were just there at the right time.

Kids are usually bad friends, in my experience, so it didn't bother me either.

Bitches are like that.

At that age, partying is the answer to all.

-I liked that Danielle Harris died nude AGAIN!

YES...I've wanted to see that Roseanne girl nekkid for soooo long!

She's so awesome!

I'm a mark for Danielle Harris!

-The mental stuff between Angel and Michael was to me a nod to H4-5 and it worked for me.

-My favorite Halloween is still part 1...which to me includes part 2 to complete the night...and H20.

Standing alone...RZ's H1+2 are awesome too.

Hell, I would like a damn Platinum Dunes Halloween remake...but really...Zombie did a terrific job giving us characters we can care about...and people who were associated with the old film to pull on our inner child's heartstrings.

I am happy that I lived long enough to see all these flicks...I just love Halloween...and more and more I'm loving RZ's art skills...be it muc or movies...he's someone to look up to if you are also a multi-talented artist.

-I'm wondering if Michael was always suppose to get killed by his ster...like his evil wanted to do the ultimate evil again...by corrupting innocence and pasng on Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, Anger, Depreson, and Insanity.

By making his baby ster kill him...she has no experienced the "thrill" of the kill and she has blood on her hands...the knife has been passed down the family tree!

-Being a 6'4', long haired & bearded former pro wrestler myself...I studied Tyler's character a lot in both films just to judge his mannerisms and "selling," as we call it in the biz...and I have to say...he did great in both...and this one...he did even better in developing a deeper Michael Myers.-I don't think Angel should have smiled at the end...Michael never did...that I recall.

Maybe she was smiling because all that shit didn't happen...and instead...she was in an insane asylum...wigging out with vions...an hour and a half long.

This is my hopeful thinking...wishing that RZ is gned on for H3D.

An excuse to remake H2...again...and mix it with H2, 3, 4, 5...I'm down with it...just please don't ruin it!!!

No Busta Rhymes or Nick Cannon or Jah Rule...please no stupid things like pretending RZ's didn't happen or pretending it's a spin off of the Original...just let RZ do one more in 3D...you will chop it to peaces if you hand it off to anyone else without a serious timeout to let the last revion settle.

And for God's sake don't call it H3 if it doesn't pertain to RZ's movies.

For now, I can't think of anything else...thanks for reading dudes...peace!

Hey man welcome to the boards!

you made some excellent points! I agree about the dream sequence with the pumpkin dude....it also seemed to me as a nod to to myths of SAMHAIN which then lends itself to an homage to some of H6 as well as H3. I agree about Sheri and the new Mikey. They were ghosts. Monotone. Faint. They were fine.

Michael's ze made sense. In Halloween II Dick Warlock is lifting people with one arm and Im not sure of his stats but what was he maybe 6'0 185lbs?

The ONLY time Michael was "THE SHAPE" to me after Halloween and Halloween II was H4. After that it became comical. There were some cool parts to 5-6-7 and I like the masks but the movies sucked and any mystical qualities Mikey had were gone.

The brilliance of RZ's Myers (and its something I really got into some good conversation with my wife and buddy about) was that he was a completely detached and utter PSYCHOPATH. Essentially an extreme socio-pathic killer with the body of a man and the mind of a demented child. I think that while H2 didnt have too much substance by way of story what it did to was provide a fun gory and scary DEMENTED ride.

What's up everyone!?!

I'm new to the board but not to movies.

Took several film classes at IUPUI and have been in a few small movie productions.

I've been a profesonal hardcore wrestler for 8 years..."retired" about 8 months ago.

(Check me out on YouTube.)

I've beat Madman Pondo in the second round of King Of The Death Matches 2009...famous hardcore legend who was in 1001 Maniacs for like 2 seconds...but made the cover.

I fought The Necro Butcher at CZW Cage Of Death 9 while Mickie Rourke studied the action in the Eagles Nest of The New Alhambra Arena aka legendary(to some) ECW arena.

Necro later took on Rourke in The Wrestle movie.

I was there and won the CZW Tag Team Titles that night...I even gned a waiver to have my image in the film...though they didn't use our highlights...it was still cool.

I'm even in Filsner Games "Legends of the Future" Card Game and on the cover of a Best Buy DVD called "The Best of Death Match Wrestling: Double Death."

Now I focus on art, acting, movies, and muc...check out dieharddustinlee.com for more info.

With that said...I have introduced myself and dropped a few names like I have a hole in my pocket.

I've seen this te advertised on MySpace bulletins and often find myself looking for cool news like that of the Halloween 2 movie that has now come out.

I decided to create an account and join in on the festivities.

Here are some random thoughts...bare with me...it's long...

-I just rewatched RZ's H1...and I was more disappointed with that movie than this one, though I did still find a way to enjoy it.

It was less RZ and more like a copy of the Original...and I felt like I could feel that Zombie was forced to follow it to a certain point.

H2 is a twist on the story...and gives you inght on Mike unlike any of the old films.

To me...this Michael was real.

Notice...he didn't get shot a bunch of times and bounce back...like when he got shot 3 times in the back with a 357 Magnum...stabbed in the shoulder/collar bone area with a butcher knife...and then a graze shot to the face that Michael tried to stop....like he did in H1.

(Then again...he took all that punishment in H1...wondering if he really died in H2.

Loving the idea that it's a dream sequence of Laurie Strode...just because I love the idea of yet another RZ Halloween just to see what he would do with it after he reads all these people's gripes...and how he would intertwine parts of the old H3 Outcast flick...maybe Mike wears different masks.

Skeleton, Pumpkin, Witch?

Maybe Season Of The Witch could mean something totally new...like Angel is beginning to wig out...take drugs like LSD...and Michael is killing his way to her and she is flipping out.

Maybe Angel kills someone like Danielle Harris's old character did at the end of H5...maybe she kills Danielle Harris and the Sheriff in a scene milar to RZ's H1...but with Angel doing the killing...heading to a psych ward.

Guess I just like the idea of Danielle Harris doing a Triple Titty Death Take.)

-I was not mad at the hospital scene...I thought it was a nice nod to the Original.

Someone on here said..."Well, how can Laurie be messed up that bad...when she wasn't hurt in RZ's H1?"

My answer is that was a nightmare...things can happen.

The fact that her dream showed Michael brutally dominating that poor nurse...to me...added to the fact later on when she started hallucinating...perhaps the violence was fascinating and hence why her dream focused on that.

Totally didn't bother me...and I was happy that Rob at least nodded to the hospital scene.-The dead mom and horse.

This was not a problem for me either.

(I do wish that Lumis had made mention to the horse in Michaels old therapy sesons...in a flash back...like the boy was talking about a pale horse in his dream...and Lumis explained it to him or looked it up.

I didn't like the quote just randomly there at the beginning...but I got over it.)

I didn't go in hoping for yet another remake of the same movie like the old ones...I wanted to see what Rob's vion was...and his vion entailed explaining why Michael was murdering his way to Laurie and how the hell he found her.

Remember, he doesn't have Google Maps...he had to use some sort of evil shit or mental connection (ala H4+5 with Danielle Harris) to find Laurie.

I found it as a sort of a "Thorn"-esque reasoning if you think about it.

Back then, that too was trying to explain his rampage.

This mom ghost and horse made more sense to me.

Finally, we see what Mike is seeing...what the hell is wrong with this dude...does he think and if so...what about?

Obviously, insane crazy shit like beholding pale horses and his dead mom and Pumpkin people.

He even told his mom the vion in a vitation flashback.

So it made total sense to me.And no, I didn't think it was because Rob wanted his wife in it...she hardly had any screen time (in comparison to the entire film's length) in H1 before she shot herself in the head.

Think about it...she never saw Michael again...he went deep inde his head and obsessed with day he killed...Halloween.

Of course he's going to see this shit.

Why else come back on Halloween and not like Christmas or something.

He killed because his partents were divorced, his step dad was an abuve drunk, his mom was a stripper, his ster was a whore who ignored him, kids at school picked on him, and then his mom killed herself...when the Original has a regular looking kid murdering his ster for no reason...with both parents seemingly married...and no real reason why he chased Laurie Strode for so long.

And knocking her acting...as a dead person...a ghost...is like knocking Sean Penn for playing a retard wrong...how can you play a retard or a dead person wrong?

I found that comment as a nit-picky spoiled person's remark just trying to find something to bitch about.

de note: The pumpkin head table was awesome...sort of a nod to the old Halloween 3 with the Pumpkin mask.

If you didn't see all the little nods to shit...then you missed out!

-The new lil' Mike wasn't a big role in this...and it was how Michael saw himself...not how he really was so it's expainable why he looks different.

The other kid was very good and obviously could not fulfill the role...I doubt RZ wanted to mply piss people off by changing him for no reason.

There has to be a justifiable reason.

The first RZ H1 was a total outde look of Michael while this was so much more in depth.

It took Michael Myers and unfolded him...he didn't change...he just got unfolded.

You never knew he had a beard...but how could he not?

You knew he ate dogs...Loomis found a dead dog with the Sherriff in the Myers' House in the Original...said it was food for Michael.

In Resurrection he ate rats.

But you don't see it.

And why not change clothes?

Why would a man who is wanted by law enforcement, in this day and age of Big Brother, wear the same clothes he did when he killed someone and was apprehended by law enforcement already?

A psychopath wouldn't be mindless and would probably get a hoodie...it's fuckin' cold outde.

And why would he wear his mask ALL year long if he wasn't murdering.

He didn't wear his masks as a kid for no reason...he uses it when unleashing the rage.-I found the lack of muc as a way to de-characterize Michael as this iconic cool killer that everyone wants to see commit an innovative murder.

Without his muc...he was like a scary stranger and it made it less like a guy you want to own a mask of.

Would you own a mask of Bundy?

What's Bundy's theme song?

I think it made it more realistic...I was watching a horror movie...not a theme park attraction gimmick.

This dude was evil.

RZ's H1 used the muc...but it sort of seemed forced...I bet he would have used less if he could have.

I watched the Original right after RZ H1 yesterday and they use the muc so much better.

The pace is slower and Laurie is more innocent and sympathetic than the new movie.

But that story's been told and I'm glad there was a different "urban legend" of Michael Myers made for us fans.

The muc at the end of H2 made me smile...and reminded me that...that ck fuck that just did all that crazy shit...was Michael Myers.

I now know him better than I ever did and Holy Crap...he's nuckin' futs!

-The strip club?

Hello, McFly!?!

His mom was a stripper there...remember?

Young Mikey takes the flyer out of that kids pocket in H1...and finishes him with a branch to the grill piece.

He got clowned on for his mom being a stripper.

He went there and dominated that prick and whoever else was there...to me...that was not random.

-I found someone complaining about Michael's ze...but realize that his Original ze was strange only in that is would have been imposble to carry that tombstone out to the Smiths Grove Sanitarium's Station Wagon that he stole.

Which reminds me...he didn't drive in RZ's movies.

Avoiding traffic violation stops was a good move by Mike.

He would have been hit with a tazer and a chopper would have followed his big ass.

The movie would have been ruined when he gets pulled over for expired plates.-The Halloween Barn Party...did anyone else see the nod to, I think, H5...where the old Mike kills dudes with a pitch fork.-The stabbing...and less creative kills...to me...made it more like a real serial killer lunatic.

Jeff Dahmer didn't fuckin' change weapons to appease you...he stabbed over and over and over.

Brutally.

This was the thinking...I think.

The grunts were, I thought, a nice new addition to Mike...he actually has built up this rage...and you can feel it.

He still doesn't speak...but c'mon...you would have to grunt when stabbing that hard and deep and that many times.

To me...that made Michael more real...just like the dog eating, the hoodie-rockin', the extra, hidden Bowie Knife...like a real person.

Not a mindless zombie-like Frankenstein....though Michael was a monster...created not by a scientist but by society and family life.

He's the ultimate under-dog Columbine kid...everyone's worst nightmare.

At least he didn't have a gun.

-The facial hair.

I have facial hair and long hair...so I loved it.

In wrestling...looking crazy can help you get more bookings...just like looking roided up can...or really tan...or fake boobs...or lots of scars.

In this day and age, hairy men is a no no.

Bumbs, Vietnam vets, war protesters, bikers, hill billies, etc...all scary to the main stream, metrosexual sheeple that live in big cities.

And nowadays with biometric scanning of people's facial features and the fear of women who wear religious head dresses to cover their faces...I find the beard fuckin' awesome and realistic and scary to the mainstream and government that wants us clean cut and chipped like animals.

A long haired person just doesn't live by the rules Jarheads do.

Michael is doing his own thing and loong his mind...and has lost his Mach 3.

You'll see Rob understands this "hair issue" and uses it in his movies...just look at Devil's Rejects...and look at the Necro Butcher from The Wrestler or on YouTube...beards are scary.

-I thought that Laurie finding out she was Angel was a cool different take on the old story where Laurie faked her death and moved to California.

I like both.

It worked for me.

And to say they shouldn't have partied when they did or that those girls aren't good friends....I would have gotten blazed had I found that shit out and here it is the damn anniversary of that date a year ago and 15 years ago...and...teenagers and young adults have shitty friends...I know I did.

I may have thought they were friends, especially smokers and drinkers, but they weren't...they were just there at the right time.

Kids are usually bad friends, in my experience, so it didn't bother me either.

Bitches are like that.

At that age, partying is the answer to all.

-I liked that Danielle Harris died nude AGAIN!

YES...I've wanted to see that Roseanne girl nekkid for soooo long!

She's so awesome!

I'm a mark for Danielle Harris!

-The mental stuff between Angel and Michael was to me a nod to H4-5 and it worked for me.

-My favorite Halloween is still part 1...which to me includes part 2 to complete the night...and H20.

Standing alone...RZ's H1+2 are awesome too.

Hell, I would like a damn Platinum Dunes Halloween remake...but really...Zombie did a terrific job giving us characters we can care about...and people who were associated with the old film to pull on our inner child's heartstrings.

I am happy that I lived long enough to see all these flicks...I just love Halloween...and more and more I'm loving RZ's art skills...be it muc or movies...he's someone to look up to if you are also a multi-talented artist.

-I'm wondering if Michael was always suppose to get killed by his ster...like his evil wanted to do the ultimate evil again...by corrupting innocence and pasng on Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, Anger, Depreson, and Insanity.

By making his baby ster kill him...she has no experienced the "thrill" of the kill and she has blood on her hands...the knife has been passed down the family tree!

-Being a 6'4', long haired & bearded former pro wrestler myself...I studied Tyler's character a lot in both films just to judge his mannerisms and "selling," as we call it in the biz...and I have to say...he did great in both...and this one...he did even better in developing a deeper Michael Myers.-I don't think Angel should have smiled at the end...Michael never did...that I recall.

Maybe she was smiling because all that shit didn't happen...and instead...she was in an insane asylum...wigging out with vions...an hour and a half long.

This is my hopeful thinking...wishing that RZ is gned on for H3D.

An excuse to remake H2...again...and mix it with H2, 3, 4, 5...I'm down with it...just please don't ruin it!!!

No Busta Rhymes or Nick Cannon or Jah Rule...please no stupid things like pretending RZ's didn't happen or pretending it's a spin off of the Original...just let RZ do one more in 3D...you will chop it to peaces if you hand it off to anyone else without a serious timeout to let the last revion settle.

And for God's sake don't call it H3 if it doesn't pertain to RZ's movies.

For now, I can't think of anything else...thanks for reading dudes...peace

i dont agree with everything you said but your review is the shit. welcome to this place. it kicks ass.

OK, so today I decided to do a second review of H2. The fact I was banned for 2 weeks from "the other place" has nothing to do with.

I said in my first review that Zombie has killed Halloween. Well, he has....for me. Not much will be different than my first review from yesterday but now that I've "cooled down" let's begin again:

THE GOOD

Sheriff Brackett - I didn't like Brad Dourif too much in the remake but I must say he was the one and only thing in this movie that shined. He was amazing and was actually wonderful to watch.

Annie Brackett - Danielle wasn't bad in the remake and remained the same in this one. Surpringly, I was actually sad to see her die and was glad she had an off screen death. I think that was somewhat of a tip of the hat to the fans.

Deputy Kill - One kill I thought was great (and could have been just a tad better) was when Michael kills the deputy outde of the Brackett's house. The way it was shot reminded me a ton of when Tommy Doyle sees the shape across the street in H1. Even the way it was lit was reminiscent. I just wish they had shown the whole scene from the distant view though.

Beathing/Grunting - I'm really iffy on the grunting Michael did when he did some killing. Sure, it's something taken from H1 and H2 but I think the way he did it was a little much and condering he didn't do it in the remake it doesn't make sense why now he does it. But, all in all, it was a effective I guess.

Michael's Anger/Brutality - At first I thought it was a bit much but given the storyline of the remake and this one, he has every right to be angry. Him stabbing people multiple times in such a manner was cool to me just because I've always wanted to do so.

THE BAD

Laurie - Good god, she was worse in this one. Between her crying and whining and her drunken skank rants I don't know which was more annoying. I know she's been through hell but the constant crying was too much.

Loomis - Useless is the word that best describe Loomis in this. None of his scenes, except the end, had anything to do with this movie. My guess is that he had gned a contract to at least 2 movies, Rob wanted to kill him in the first one, but now he has to do something with him nce he has a contract therefore he inserts utterly uses scene that make Loomis look like an arrogant money hungry prick of a writer. And sadly, I believe we see more of Loomis than Michael in this movie which makes me wonder why it is even titled Halloween. Loomis' portrayal in this has forever disgraced what Donald Pleasance made a gem of a character. Also, at the end of the movie, somehow he has a change of heart and wants to help.

The Halloween/Fall Time Feel - This movie had less of a fall time feel to it than the remake, except for maybe a few five second screen shots.

Vulgarity - I read someone review that there was minimal laguage used in this movie as compared to the remake. Wrong, there is just as much and it is just as annoying and unnecessary and still shows for lack of good writing skill on Zombie's part. Vulgarity may be commonplace in today's society but it doesn't make for good dialogue in a Halloween film. It works for movies like The Big Lebowski but not for something like this.

Nudity - Someone had also said that there wasn't very much nudity in this either. Wrong again. There's a scene in the Rabit in Red (a useless scene which I'll talk about after this) where there's a stripper running around completely naked for a good 3-4 minutes. Then you have a bunch of topless chicks at the Phantom Jam, which makes no sense to me. What kind of a Halloween party has topless dancers? What is Zombie's fascination with topless dancers, was his mom a stripper or something? I'm beginning to think this is a movie about his life.

Rabbit in Red - This scene was just pointless. Why does Michael even go there? What does that have to do with him getting to Haddonfield and getting to Laurie? I guess Zombie just wanted more kills and more nudity, again referring to my statement above.

Storyline - I realized at the end of this movie that this hasn't even been a story about Halloween. It's mply a story of a fucked up, trailer trash family trying to be together again. How touching...

THE UGLY These are the worst parts of the movie, for me.

Michael Myers - I didn't mind Tyler Mane too much in the remake and I thought he did excellent despite his ze. Well, not so true anymore. I can't stand Myers being a hulk anymore, I can't look past it. And for some reason mane's movements in this seemed...just not right and not constent with those of the remake. I think Zombie should make an Adam's Family movie, he's all set to cast the part of Lurch.

The Vions - This was probably the worst part of the movie for me. The vions were ridiculous, occurred too often, and were just absolutely unnecessary and actually took away from the Halloween feel of the movie with all the snowy settings. They also brought on/back unnecessary characters like Sheri Moon, who was terrible this time around, and young Michael, who was worse than Daeg! That kid was so monotone and it was so obvious he was acting.

And last but most certainly not least...

The Theme - What is a Halloween movie without the infamous theme? Well, to me, it's not a Halloween movie hardly at all. And they didn't even play it till the end credits...tisk tisk Rob. You probably committed the mother of all Halloween ns (other than flat out remaking it in the first place).Trancas and the Weinersteins are justand I hope it shows for them soon, financially. I'm sure Moustapha is rolling over in his grave...for the second time.

banned? that sucks dren but good second review.

banned? that sucks dren but good second review.



Yea, only for 2 weeks though.

Rather foolish IMO to ban someone for two weeks but it just gives you more time to be here.

I have started watching some of this online and can't give a great review of what i have seen as I am misng alot due to how dark it is. I will say i thought the start was dumb as hell with the scene of young myers and Sherri. The kid just sucks and the scene was not needed other then to set up the whole need for Sherri IMO. This of course may change some when I see it in a theater or dvd but for now I find that to be horible. The violence so far hasn't been to bad but I only got up to Loomis's first scene. The grunting while odd is not that bad IMO when you think how hard he really would have to be stabbing someone the way he is and to make no noise would seem odd to me. I am sure as I get to watch more I will comment more.

Rather foolish IMO to ban someone for two weeks but it just gives you more time to be here.

I have started watching some of this online and can't give a great review of what i have seen as I am misng alot due to how dark it is. I will say i thought the start was dumb as hell with the scene of young myers and Sherri. The kid just sucks and the scene was not needed other then to set up the whole need for Sherri IMO. This of course may change some when I see it in a theater or dvd but for now I find that to be horible. The violence so far hasn't been to bad but I only got up to Loomis's first scene. The grunting while odd is not that bad IMO when you think how hard he really would have to be stabbing someone the way he is and to make no noise would seem odd to me. I am sure as I get to watch more I will comment more.

Some of the movie is just dark like that. Like when the Brackett's are eating, the room is only lit by the light over the table. In some scenes it works, like to hide Michael.

It doesn't help I am watching it online so it is alot darker then if in the theater or dvd.

I think theres a difference between gratuitous nudity and nudity. The nudity of MBV remake or that which you find in most f13 films is gratuitous. Its slasher formula and 13 year old boys get their first jollies. I know the first chicks I saw naked were in horrors. The stripper in the RIR....we never get a clear shot at her. the camera never looms on her. She didnt have to be naked but they were banging. As for the halloween party titty girls? it wasn't necessary but Ive seen it plenty at places like the Limelight or Webster hall in NYC on an electro/industrial night. Pierced and tattooed "suicide girl" types prancing around.

As far as Mikey returning to the Rabbit in Red....well it would have been in town and its a revenge for mommy thing. I think it makes sense.

btw the stripper kill was maybe the hardest for me to watch. That and the poor nurse.

OVERDONEWITHGONE

non H2 fans will find this list interesting.....


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non H2 fans will find this list interesting.....


href="http://thevaultofhorror.blogspot.com/2009/09/tuesday-top-10-worst-things-about.html">http://thevaultofhorror.blogspot.com/20 ... about.htmlCouldn't have said it better myself.

That was a great article, really sums up how I feel too.

First week numbers for H2: 3rd place overall, $17 mill.

(Destroyed by Final Destination 4, and Inglorious Basterds..a movie in it's 2nd week of release.)

Second week numbers for H2:

6th place, $5.5 mill.

(Once again, can't stand up against it's competition. Even long to District 9, which has been out for almost a month now.)

The two week total has yet to the beat the first week sales from his '07 Halloween film.

No one cares about your hillbilly-profanity laced "vion" on Michael Myers. They saw the first film, out of curioty. Plus, it's a name franchise.

BUT Halloween 2, this was Rob's movie. No more Carpenter template to work off of, this was going to be HIS movie. And it failed!

Though, you may say..well H2 did already pass the $15 million dollar budget. Great, you go tell that to the Weinsteins. I'm sure they are thrilled, with being trounced by a 3D film. Btw, nice decion on going head to head with Final Destination. Jackass.

Hence, why they have already annouced Halloween 3-D. Without Zombie at the helm (Though when I see it, I'll believe it.)

First week numbers for H2: 3rd place overall, $17 mill.

(Destroyed by Final Destination 4, and Inglorious Basterds..a movie in it's 2nd week of release.)

Second week numbers for H2:

6th place, $5.5 mill.

(Once again, can't stand up against it's competition. Even long to District 9, which has been out for almost a month now.)

The two week total has yet to the beat the first week sales from his '07 Halloween film.

No one cares about your hillbilly-profanity laced "vion" on Michael Myers. They saw the first film, out of curioty. Plus, it's a name franchise.

BUT Halloween 2, this was Rob's movie. No more Carpenter template to work off of, this was going to be HIS movie. And it failed!

Though, you may say..well H2 did already pass the $15 million dollar budget. Great, you go tell that to the Weinsteins. I'm sure they are thrilled, with being trounced by a 3D film. Btw, nice decion on going head to head with Final Destination. Jackass.

Hence, why they have already annouced Halloween 3-D. Without Zombie at the helm (Though when I see it, I'll believe it.)

Amen brother. Glad there's someone else who feels exactly like I do.

I finally saw it today and will be adding my review tonight or Tuesday.

I finally saw it today and will be adding my review tonight or Tuesday.

can't wait to read it Cropsy!

I had started one of these before but it was around two posts worth. This will be the short veron. lol

I must admit I hated the start of it with the dumb scene with Sherri(thank god my husband directs films)Zombie and a horrible replacement for Daeg. The scene just had no feeling to it and didn't even come across to me like the relationship between Sherri and Daeg from the first one. I loved the hospital scene but wish it hadn't been a dream and I wanted to kill the stupid coroner workers. I have heard guys talk like that before about bodies but was it really needed? I certainly didn't think so as the 1,000 times the guy said F@#k wasn't needed either. Laurie being messed up and having issues like she did I didn't have a problem and thought while her performance this time was not as good as the first Scout was alright. Annie was played perfectly as I wouldn't have expected anything less from Ms. Harris and having her death off screen was so much better then seeing her butchered by Myers. Brad Douriff was outstanding IMO as Brackett. He just brought so much more to it this time and certainly seeing him after Annie was killed and of course the end with Loomis was perfect. You really felt his emotions IMO. Loomis becoming a scumbag fame hungering pile of monkey crap was ok with me. I personally could see it happening these days as so many are looking to gain fame and fortune off of anything these days be it from a murder or rape or whatever else. Hell we have how many reality channels these days? I loved seeing Lynda's dad pull the gun on Loomis as I can see alot of fathers myself included who would want some kind of revenge on a guy making money off of my loss especially a child. I also found Wierd Al very funny with him and his shots on Loomis during the talk show.( I really didn't see any need for him in this film when i first heard of him being in it) Tyler Mane I thought did a very good job on playing this veron of Michael. I had no problem really with the grunts even as odd as it seemed at first to hear but with that much rage I would expcet some kind of noise from him. The violence certainly was taken to a llevel I didn't think was totally needed but I also knew Rob Zombie's style and this was truely his veron.I was disapointed with the end and Laurie stabbing Michael in the face but I also thought this was a perfect way for Rob to end it where there was no "real" chance for Michael to be alive for anymore films especially nce he knew he wouldn't be back for another. The mask being worn by hLaurie looked way to big and would have even looked big on Booman's head(sorry man I had to get my shots in lol) I was also disapointed in the house of Bracketts as I couldn't picture him letting it look so horrible and pretty much as most have called it "white trash" especially being the sherriff. Overall I did enjoy it but can't list it as one of my favorites and must say this IMO was the worst one from Zombie so far. Oh did I say I F@#$ing hated the stupid white horse crap along with Sherri. lol I must say i didn't see the need for the dog eating to be so done up and didn't care for the "link between Michael and Laurie but at the same time even if not intentional was a cool way to link it to H4 - 6. I still can't blame Zombie for everything wrong with this as yes he wrote it but I blame the idiots in charge the most as they seemed to think they were putting out saw that has made plenty of cash each year. Halloween even Rob Zombie's veron is not meant to be done that way. These are NOT Friday the 13th so please really think about it before you rush another one out fools even though you

have already said H3D is out next year. Take your time please and give us some of the quality we want nce you won't with your merchandise.

Hope some of this made sense and thansk for taking the hour and a half to read all of this. lol

I had started one of these before but it was around two posts worth. This will be the short veron. lol

I must admit I hated the start of it with the dumb scene with Sherri(thank god my husband directs films)Zombie and a horrible replacement for Daeg. The scene just had no feeling to it and didn't even come across to me like the relationship between Sherri and Daeg from the first one. I loved the hospital scene but wish it hadn't been a dream and I wanted to kill the stupid coroner workers. I have heard guys talk like that before about bodies but was it really needed? I certainly didn't think so as the 1,000 times the guy said F@#k wasn't needed either. Laurie being messed up and having issues like she did I didn't have a problem and thought while her performance this time was not as good as the first Scout was alright. Annie was played perfectly as I wouldn't have expected anything less from Ms. Harris and having her death off screen was so much better then seeing her butchered by Myers. Brad Douriff was outstanding IMO as Brackett. He just brought so much more to it this time and certainly seeing him after Annie was killed and of course the end with Loomis was perfect. You really felt his emotions IMO. Loomis becoming a scumbag fame hungering pile of monkey crap was ok with me. I personally could see it happening these days as so many are looking to gain fame and fortune off of anything these days be it from a murder or rape or whatever else. Hell we have how many reality channels these days? I loved seeing Lynda's dad pull the gun on Loomis as I can see alot of fathers myself included who would want some kind of revenge on a guy making money off of my loss especially a child. I also found Wierd Al very funny with him and his shots on Loomis during the talk show.( I really didn't see any need for him in this film when i first heard of him being in it) Tyler Mane I thought did a very good job on playing this veron of Michael. I had no problem really with the grunts even as odd as it seemed at first to hear but with that much rage I would expcet some kind of noise from him. The violence certainly was taken to a llevel I didn't think was totally needed but I also knew Rob Zombie's style and this was truely his veron.I was disapointed with the end and Laurie stabbing Michael in the face but I also thought this was a perfect way for Rob to end it where there was no "real" chance for Michael to be alive for anymore films especially nce he knew he wouldn't be back for another. The mask being worn by hLaurie looked way to big and would have even looked big on Booman's head(sorry man I had to get my shots in lol) I was also disapointed in the house of Bracketts as I couldn't picture him letting it look so horrible and pretty much as most have called it "white trash" especially being the sherriff. Overall I did enjoy it but can't list it as one of my favorites and must say this IMO was the worst one from Zombie so far. Oh did I say I F@#$ing hated the stupid white horse crap along with Sherri. lol I must say i didn't see the need for the dog eating to be so done up and didn't care for the "link between Michael and Laurie but at the same time even if not intentional was a cool way to link it to H4 - 6. I still can't blame Zombie for everything wrong with this as yes he wrote it but I blame the idiots in charge the most as they seemed to think they were putting out saw that has made plenty of cash each year. Halloween even Rob Zombie's veron is not meant to be done that way. These are NOT Friday the 13th so please really think about it before you rush another one out fools even though you

have already said H3D is out next year. Take your time please and give us some of the quality we want nce you won't with your merchandise.

Hope some of this made sense and thansk for taking the hour and a half to read all of this. lol

i thought the jab at boo man was funny and you did a kick ass job on the review.

it was a good read.

First week numbers for H2: 3rd place overall, $17 mill.

(Destroyed by Final Destination 4, and Inglorious Basterds..a movie in it's 2nd week of release.)

Second week numbers for H2:

6th place, $5.5 mill.

(Once again, can't stand up against it's competition. Even long to District 9, which has been out for almost a month now.)

The two week total has yet to the beat the first week sales from his '07 Halloween film.

No one cares about your hillbilly-profanity laced "vion" on Michael Myers. They saw the first film, out of curioty. Plus, it's a name franchise.

BUT Halloween 2, this was Rob's movie. No more Carpenter template to work off of, this was going to be HIS movie. And it failed!

Though, you may say..well H2 did already pass the $15 million dollar budget. Great, you go tell that to the Weinsteins. I'm sure they are thrilled, with being trounced by a 3D film. Btw, nice decion on going head to head with Final Destination. Jackass.

Hence, why they have already annouced Halloween 3-D. Without Zombie at the helm (Though when I see it, I'll believe it.)

I fail to see how box office results are a way to judge a horror film. I would be as so bold to say that I share maybe 5% milar interests to the "movie goers" that plunk down their cash at movies every weekend.

So H2 was RKO'd by DISTRICT 9; FD4; etc.....I bet they would have crushed ANY film by legends such as Argento; Fulci or Romero.... If you hated the film...fine. Box office results? they will tell you that a TON of celluloid crap is worth millions.

I just got back from the theatre and had to t down and pen my review. Halloween 2 is so seriously and extremely brutal that it takes violence for violence’s sake to a whole new disturbing level. Director Rob Zombie’s track record started with homage/tribute to slasher/horror movies of the late ‘70s and early ‘80s, making House of 100 Corpses and The Devils Rejects and both have their moments of pure genius. With these two under his belt he ventured out into remake land. His Halloween was fairly reverent to the original with added Zombie-isms and more hyperkinetic violence. Now, as he finds his “voice,” it’s becoming more incomprehenble to fathom his vion. Pushing psychedelic visuals ade, he abandons creativity for one big grisly CACHUNK after another.

The mplistic plot is chock full of blood-drenched dream sequences, knights-on- white-horse analogies, heavenly metaphors and bizarre cultish absurdity. Everyone who wasn’t slaughtered in the first movie returns, including Laurie Strode (Scout Taylor-Compton) and Sheriff Lee Bracket (Brad Dourif). Laurie is plagued by dreams and the memory of serial-killer-mental-patient-escapee Michael Myers, her anxiety gaining momentum as Halloween draws near. Dr. Samuel Loomis (Malcolm McDowell) returns to the scene of the crime all puffed up and belligerent, touting his new Myers biography entitled, The Devil Walks Among Us. The book stirs up bad feelings in the town and brings to light the fact that Laurie is Myers’ ster, which skyrockets her freak out to new levels. Meanwhile, Myers has escaped death and meanders home to Haddonfield in a pilgrimage of murder.

The amped-up violence is relentless. All we get are brutal killings, and the giant Michael Myers thrusting his knife deep into victims. This flick is the equivalent of watching cows led to slaughter —you know what’s coming, and you know it will be gruesome, over and over again. The guy in the mask is a killing machine. We get it.

In his better moments Zombie leans toward the sleazier, white-trashy de in his directing, but like Quentin Tarantino, incorporates pop culture, obscure movie references, snappy dialogue, handpicked muc, ultra-violence and a sense of humor. Here, the sense of humor is almost non-existent and the hip references ting hollow. The instances in which realism is undermined for the sake of cool run the gamut: for instance, Laurie, flipped out by a serial killer, has a cult shrine poster of Charles Manson on her wall.

Sherri Moon Zombie’s performance as Myers’ mom in H-1 was a step above her usual psycho-bitch-slut role, but here we’re force fed a dreamy angelic veron of her bathed in white. Dourif resembling a hippie in a sheriff’s outfit (not a Halloween costume), should get the most-underrated-actor-of-the-year award. He gives his all no matter what piece of crap he’s in. There are countless appearances by cool character actors that are sadly short lived. But the hyper-obnoxious scream/weep/screech antics of Taylor-Compton prove so annoying that you lose any sympathy for her character. Finger nails on a blackboard never seemed more inviting. And I don’t think Malcom McDowell is acting anymore. Every time I see him, he’s playing such an overstuffed pompous bastard that I can only assume he’s being himself for the camera.

Clearly, the best attempt at homage is that this movie was shot on 16mm allowing it to truly resemble an old drive-in horror movie through its weird film saturation and lighting. Otherwise, H-2 is just a loud belligerent mess. I’d like to think Zombie’s still vionary, but this crude compilation of blood, guts and gory violence feels like he’s saying he doesn’t want to do this anymore. Whether this is Rob Zombie’s weird stab at defining the horror genre, his swan song or he’s breaking up with us is yet to be determined.

non H2 fans will find this list interesting.....


href="http://thevaultofhorror.blogspot.com/2009/09/tuesday-top-10-worst-things-about.html">http://thevaultofhorror.blogspot.com/20 ... about.html This article nails it on the head for me. Sherri Moon has no place in any movie.

I hate to dig up an old thread like this, but I finally got around to seeing this movie.

I don't have anything elaborate to say, so I'll keep it mple.

This movie is the biggest piece of shit to ever carry the name of this beloved franchise!

Rubbish!

PURE RUBBISH!

As a fan of the first RZ "reimagining" I really wanted to like this, but for the life of me I don't know what the hell he could have been thinking on this one.

If there is one potive I can pull from this steaming pile of crap it's that it has boosted H5 up one spot from the bottom rung.

There really can be no arguement as one man's meat is another man's poison. Movies are subjective and we all have different tastes. What does kinda throw me for a loop is when people proclaim H2 as the WORST of the HALLOWEEN franchise....

HALLOWEEN 5.....sucked. I liked the mask but this movie was a goof-fest. Terrible. HALLOWEEN 6....again...I liked the mask but the story is all over the place and you can steer the SS Enterprise through the plot holes. HALLOWEEN 7....Here is Halloween selling out to the SCREAM/I KNOW WHAT YOU DID camp. From the poster to the cast.

HALLOWEEN 8......I actually get uncomfortable watching this MTV embarassment.

Ok...didnt like H2? I'll give you several vital things that the said movies lacked: style....RZ's camera work was awesome and the post production and sound was nothing but stellar. performance....Dourif and Mane were amazing. you cannot say that for ANY of the actors of the said films. brutality....RZ made Myers scary again. He was a true psychopath.

I can appreciate die hard Carpenter freaks saying fuck off to RZ but if people are going to accept H5-H8 I have to beg to differ. H2 went its own way and changed some character arcs that many were bothered by but at least Rob gave us an hour and a half of horror and not some goofy MTV shit with rappers smacking around the Shape like a bitch.

I actually might buy H2 when it comes out on DVD. I think I could come to at least enjoy some parts of it, although I don't think there is anything that could make me see a point in Loomis in H2.

I know what you mean about Loomis although I have to say it was an interesting slant (and sadly the way things are today? a realistic slant) that deviated from our beloved Loomis. My only issue was that the character went through a change much too quickly.

Matt props to you for posbly grabbing H2 one day. I hope you'll enjoy some of it.